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Old 04-05-2004, 04:06 PM   #1
svarreby
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Why choose Mandrake (No Flame) ?


I have tried around 20 different distro's of wich I've bought 5 or 6 (commercial distro's). They differ from "smooth-ride" (Xandros Deluxe 2.0) on the one side and "get-down-and-dirty" (Slackware 9.1) on the other.

I am constantly re-installing distro's and this day I got Mandrake 10 (CE) installed. This has been going on since I first discovered Linux (18 months ago). Now I tend to more and more estimate
ease of use rather than fiddling all day in CL

As I've little experience with Mandrake (this evening) I would like to ask where YOU think Mandrake fits (compared to other distro's) ? Why did you choose it ? Why did'nt you go for some of the other major top 10 distro's ?

Besides "ease of use", I have a few other "demands";

Easy to update (that means as few dep-errors as possible)
Quick access to new/updated packages (not like Debian where stable 2.6 kernel will occur 2005 ...)
Big user base = many experts at hand and hopefully lots of tutorials, online documentation etc

If you think that Mandrake could be the one for me, let me hear you

There's still a few weeks left before 10 hits FINAL ... and if this experience turns out good, I'm the first to order the Power Pack!
 
Old 04-05-2004, 04:17 PM   #2
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Personally, I like Suse, however, it isn't as easy as Mandrake, that is why I am learning Mandrake as the upgrade path for my family and friends. They are all on Redhat 8.0, and it is working well, but I like to keep them up to date so I don't have to relearn over and over again. I like Mandrake because it includes most multimedia out of the box (except, of course, for libdvdcss, which I would NEVER install on anyone's computer...wink wink). I also like supermount for non technical folks. I like that it is easy to use, and it is easier to find the apps that my family/friends want than with Suse. (I just compile with Suse, but not something I want them to do).

RO
 
Old 04-05-2004, 05:05 PM   #3
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I've also been a regular to SUSE, bought 8.0 thru 9.0 and waiting for a pre-ordered 9.1
I think that SUSE is the most polished distro out there. My personal with SUSE "problem" is that there's very few online forums for it (most of the discussion seems to take place at their mailing lists wich is a disaster to "go thru" after a specific topic) and almost no tutorials/docs.

As a NOOB, there's three ways of learning (besides doing it all by yourself); books, tutorials and forums ... and no one of these fits SUSE ... and well, I guess I feel kind of "lonely" with SUSE!

Just another 2 cents
 
Old 04-05-2004, 05:40 PM   #4
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Mandrake is extremely easy to update. 'urpmi' is your best friend.
Mandrake _IS_ bleeding edge. 'urpmi kernel-' is your best friend.
Mandrake has alot of support. 'http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions' is your best friend.

Mandrakelinux.com also contains quite a few tutorials, etc.
 
Old 04-05-2004, 05:54 PM   #5
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Mandrake is unbelievably easy to install/uninstall/upgrade things with, using urpmi. It also tends to add newer versions and programs to the package servers quicker than some other distros do. Its hardware detection is top-rate, and it's very good at having things "just work."

On the other hand, on the few occasions when things do go wrong, it can be a devil. Things that can be fixed or changed pretty easily in "hacker" distros like slack or lfs turn into sprawling monsters.

It's the distro I most often use when I don't want to mess with anything. When I want to play around the OS, I use gentoo or lfs.
 
Old 04-05-2004, 05:58 PM   #6
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Mandrake is easy.
EASY to install.
Easy to update.
Easy to configure.
Plenty of support here and at justlinux.com.
You can even get phone support for it from Mandrake (Though their web support is indifferent at best).

But I am biased, the only other distro I tried was RH6.1 which was bugged and wouldn't install onto the second harddrive. When I did get it working I found it very confusing, not helped by the default log in being root.

Mandrake is friendly.
 
Old 04-05-2004, 09:25 PM   #7
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Hope you guys have notifications turned on

"urpmi kernel-"

So hows this work? i only just installed mandrake 10... then went back to 9.2 last weekend. Im completely new to linux and so have just discovered the joy of urpmi... although i didn't know there was a kernel switch... surely this doesn't auto download the latest kernel, compile and install does it? ... compiling is definately something i can't do yet .

cheers for any help
Rob - teh n00b
 
Old 04-05-2004, 10:30 PM   #8
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Not compile, it installs a precompiled kernel from Mandrake for you. So you can update kernel versions, with all the mandrake settings. It's very nice.
 
Old 04-05-2004, 11:00 PM   #9
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ahh ok

So that kernel wouldn't be optimised in anyway for my specific machine though would it... would just be like an install of windows.

Is compiling the kernel _really_ an advantage for a desktop these days then? or is this more a problem for a server?

Cheers,
Rob
 
Old 04-06-2004, 12:02 PM   #10
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Is compiling the kernel _really_ an advantage for a desktop these days then?
Short answer - no. I did a gentoo install where everything is compiled from source and found gentoo to be slower than mdk. And that was after a day and a half to compile everything, and I mean everything, not just the kernel, from source.
 
Old 04-06-2004, 01:34 PM   #11
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Well - I tried RedHat and Mandrake - BOTH 'installed' just fine, if by 'install' you mean reads the CD and grinds away on the HD for a while, scrolling madly up the screen. However, once 'installed' the screen went all squirrelly (a band of multi color across the top with no way to do anything).

I then downloaded the Slackware CD's and THEY installed just fine with no intervention, KDE, Gnome, etc all working fine. I have even done a couple of Slack Kernel compiles since then just for grins, with no problems. So, from MY perspective, Slackware is the 'good' distro <G>
 
Old 04-06-2004, 02:12 PM   #12
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I consider myself a "second generation" Linux user. I don't want to have to spend 2 days learning every single detail about the software or hardware that I need to install. Thats why I choose Mandrake over Slackware. I't simpler. And since I don't use a dual boot system I need things to work unless I explicitly break them
But...
I am also a power user, and when I feel like it I want to be able to control every single detail of a certain software or piece of hardware. That's why I choose Mandrake over MS-Windows and Lindows.

Mandrake is simply the perfect choice for me. Good stability, loads of easy-to-install additional software and let's me mess with stuff when I want to. I've also tried about 30 different operating systems from Be OS, Mac OS, Windows, different Linux distributions. Mandrake is simply the best I've installed so far.

Last edited by rokka; 04-06-2004 at 02:14 PM.
 
Old 04-06-2004, 02:14 PM   #13
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I installed Mdk 10 something like 3 weeks ago.

It took me *eleven* minutes.

Eleven minutes from the moment I put the first CD to the moment I could fetch my mail on the internet.

Then I took me a few days of tweaking around for some specific needs (like running neverwinter nights, get specific nvidia drivers, install them, etc).

And I'm a newbie. Before that I had a Mdk 9.1 for a few weeks.
 
Old 04-06-2004, 05:59 PM   #14
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As the the 'urpmi kernel-' command you asked about, you _CAN_ get the source code. For example, 'urpmi kernel-tmb-source' will download the source code for 2.6.4-1 and put it in your /usr/src/linux directory (already linked and everything ;-) Then you can copy your current config file using 'cp /boot/config /usr/src/linux/.config' , then run 'menuconfig' to make any changes necessary (I recommend running this...). Then this: 'make; make bzImage; make modules; make modules_install'

Then you have a completely customized, latest version kernel. Then you will want to add it to Lilo or Grub...

Code:
<-> And Finally Edit Your /etc/grub.conf file <->
<-> Note some distros now use menu.lst, so if you can't find grub or lilo, then you know what to look for <->

title New Kernel
kernel /vmlinuz-x.x.x ro root=LABEL=/
initrd /initrd-x.x.x.img
(Note: )
look at the previous parameters in the grub.conf file and note what "root=" and use what is existing.

Exit and Save grub.conf
type "/sbin/grub-install"

AND REBOOT!!!

<-> And Finally Edit Your /etc/lilo.conf file <->
image = /boot/vmlinuz-x.x.x
label = New Kernel
root = /dev/hdx
read-only

(Note: )
look at the previous parameters in the lilo.conf file and note what "root =" and use what is existing.

Exit and Save lilo.conf
type "/sbin/lilo"
-From Drozz
 
Old 04-06-2004, 09:47 PM   #15
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I started with RedHat 5.2 in around 1998-9. It nearly convinced me to not bother with Linux. Then I found Mandrake 6. It worked for me out of the box. I had to get help setting up my sound card from the Mandrake Newbie email list. That was the only problem I can remember having. Since then, I have stuck with Mandrake for the most part. I have tried Deb, Slack, RedHat 8 [wanted to give them a fair chance to redeem themselves] and even installed Knoppix on my HD. All the distributions I tried provided an adequate method of installing the beast, and an OK update tool. The reason I continually return to Mandrake is the System Administration suit provided in mcc [The Mandrake Control Center]. It is well thought out, and easy to use. It makes sense to me. All in all, Linux is Linux. Most distributions provide a similar package set. Most distributions provide an installer and a package update tool. Most distributions provide the same set of command line system management tools. I can use them, but I'd rather not . Mandrake gave me an easy to use system when I started with Linux, and all the power and control I need now after half a decade using Linux. For me Mandrake is the right choice. For you, who knows, but it is a good place to get started, and there is good docimentation in the More Applications / Documentation menu.

HTH,
 
  


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