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Old 12-10-2003, 02:46 PM   #1
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Unhappy MDK9.2 tough fight


Hi All,
After downloading MDK9.2 and installing only to find that many packages were left out
of the "typical" list..Thats not all that bad but The "update" locked when packages were downloaded..Sometimes the it would DL two or three B4 freezing..That seemed to be corrected by upgrading first RPM then drakextools...I went through most of the upgrades and decided to install the Nvidia driver only to find that the Binutils package needed installation..OK it was installed only to find that the NV installer cannot find the kernel header files..It said to install the kernel source..That won't install because it needed other packages..The other packages won't install either..Going round and round but no Nvidia driver and thus jerky video.. I did not have all this trouble with earlier versions of MDK..
This Distro needs someone a whole lot smarter than I am.. Did anyone else have problems with this distro? Is it the fact that it is the free downloaded version rather than the boxed one?I have purchased at least three versions of MDK but I think I'll pass on this one..
Please let me know if any of you had any trouble or if it was as smooth as silk..
Thanks for reading this post and thank you for any comments..Good or Bad..
JP
 
Old 12-10-2003, 02:54 PM   #2
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Like me and many others, you have to download kernel-source package (which was a long time ago, in Mandrake 9.1 for example, in CD3) and install it, then you can install NV drivers
 
Old 12-10-2003, 03:06 PM   #3
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I have never had much luck with the GUI update on Mandrake (even on 9.1), but have never had problems using urpmi from the command line. If you haven't already, you might want to configure urpmi. You can find instructions here: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/

After you have everthing ready to go, you should be able to update without any problems. You can issue the following command to update the system: urpmi --auto-select This will install kernel source that you need to install the nvidia drivers and you should be able to install any other software that you want or need.

Just so you know, you will probably have issues with the contrib source, but it really shouldn't be much of a problem. I haven't found a contrib source that works yet, but it hasn't been an issue for me so far. Hopefully it won't be for you.
 
Old 12-11-2003, 07:36 AM   #4
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Thanks

Thanks for you quick replies..I tried to do the urpmi thing and install the kernel source but
it says that it' can't..Due to "unsatisfied ncurses-devel"..I guess my question now is what is that? and how can it be resolved? BTW I did do the urpmi --auto-select and it seemed to work but did not help with the present problem..No source kernel for 2.4.22-10mdksmp
Thanks again,
JP
 
Old 12-11-2003, 10:58 AM   #5
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Did you go the link I posted and follow the instructions to set up urpmi? You need to choose a mirror for all three in the "Core Distribution" section (main, contrib and updates). I had trouble with some of the mirrors so you may have to try different mirrors until you find one that works.

Unless you are having another issue urpmi should work.

Of course you can always download and install the kernel source yourself. Did a quick google search and found it here: http://rpmfind.rediris.es/rpm2html/kernel-source.html
 
Old 12-11-2003, 11:16 AM   #6
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Me too...

Jolphil, seems like we're on the same boat.

I 've installed Mandrake 9.2, and did the urpmi update via command line, and it worked. But then, i tryed to install many programs (MPlayer, YMessenger and others) and I always end up with these problems that you have: missing libraries, these libraries can't be downloaded due to FTP problems, or have bad signature, or other problems...

I've re-installed Mandrake (my version is the same as yours) , and this time I've tryed to use Mandrake Update. After about fourty minutes downloading all the updates, it started the installation... but seems like some files had a bad signature and other problems, and nothing was done.

Then i tryed the Urpmi, via command line... and after downloading, i wrote urpmi.update -a, or something like that and... crash! It stopped.

I'm really willing to use Linux, but I'm getting crazy! Seems like everything I try to install doesn't work! When I tryed MPlayer, it said that the GTK couldn't be found... but it was there! I even tryed to download another one, but i just can't install anything in Mandrake, it always says that the signature is bad and stuff like that...

I'm thinking about trying another Linux version. I heard Mandrake was the easiest to learn, but I going crazy with this thing... any ideas on how to make things easier?
 
Old 12-11-2003, 03:11 PM   #7
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still tough fight

Hi again jcksrobbins,
Yes I went to the link and set up to the ftp site and did a update urpmi --auto-select.....
I think it did it ok but when I went to try the kernel-source it failed to install..I think the error was "unsatisfied ncurses-devel"...I was able to download the kernel 2.4.22-10 mdksrc.rpm and tried to install it using su rpm -ivh kernelxxxxxxx but the errors were "nplane1 does not exist " for both user or group...I'm not all that good at this but everything I try runs into a dead end...
Thank a lot for your help..You don't know how much it is appreciated..
JP
 
Old 12-11-2003, 03:21 PM   #8
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Sorry Roberto

I neglected to comment to your plight..I have purchased the Suse 9.0 upgrade pro and it went in this same system without a hitch.. I was able to use yast to upgrade all the packages and even was able to install the nvidia driver through Suse..
It is very sweet..Thats not to put down Mandrake because this is the download version and not the packaged version..I really don't know how the packaged version will fair..
My belief from reading the mdk site is that you can only download special packages from them
for 30 days or 90 days using the pro version..Of course you can join the club, but that is too rich for my taste...This is just a hobby for me..
GoodLuck,
JP
 
Old 12-11-2003, 05:25 PM   #9
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Did you you choose the development package when you installed Mandrake? I ran into a lot of problems like you are having and someone suggested that I install the development packages. It cleared up my problems and I stopped having difficulties when installing software.

I'm a relative newbie myself, so I don't know how much in-depth help I can give you, but I always try to help when I think I can.
 
Old 12-11-2003, 05:57 PM   #10
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sadly no

No I did not...I can't even install it from the cdroms now ...I show up a whole page full of errors..Lots of libs that won't even load..Looks Like I go back to Suse and forget Mandrake
or try a fresh install...This time I will pick the packages..Mandrake did a puny job of selection..IMHO
Thanks for your help...
 
Old 12-11-2003, 06:52 PM   #11
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Trying again...

I've decided to reinstall Mandrake. I've chosen all the packages this time during the install to see if my problems disappear.

I'll try it all again. Up to now, I've tried to install Yahoo Messenger again. I've got the same error again, but I've managed to install YM. The trick was to uncheck the options to create shortcuts. Problem is, i can only open YM via Command Line...

Any ideas?
 
Old 12-12-2003, 06:47 PM   #12
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I feel your pain all, I started with mandrake 9.0 and then went to 9.1 and like everyone else I eagerly awaited 9.2, so, when it was available I bought the CD's and loaded it in place of 9.1 on a spare machine, after about 2 weeks I went back to 9.1. I just don't think 9.2 is ready to be used as a desktop system for every day use just yet,but I do use 9.1 for my everyday use and it runs as smooth as a baby's bottom. Just use 9.1 until they get some of the hiccups out of 9.2.
 
Old 12-13-2003, 04:55 PM   #13
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Still trouble

Hi Again,
I just did a fresh re-install and installed the development packages and while things were a bit smoother,I am still plagued with no NVidia acceleration..The NV installer seems not to be able to compile the kernel..The only kernel source (outside the MDK club) is
2.4.22.21mdk and my kernel is listed as 2.4.22.10mdksmp...Thus the installer balks and can't find the right header files??? I guess...
I give up...After two weeks it's not meant to be..
I'll leave France and go back to Germany..
Thanks for all your help in this post...
JP

Correction by edit..Really confused and cant even type anymore..uname-a reports kernel 2.4.22.10mdk but it still balks..

Last edited by jolphil; 12-13-2003 at 05:04 PM.
 
Old 12-14-2003, 10:22 AM   #14
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Thumbs up OH! Joy!

Hi all,
After considerable defeats, and another install I finally got the NVidia drivers installed..Thats not such a big deal for most, but for me, this was a major sucess..If it will help others,heres generally how I did it..(9.2 downloaded version)
First the default kernel installed was 2.4.22-10mdksmp....With no kernel source installed..
The mandrake secure had an updated kernel for the LG cdrom bug..I downloaded and installed,kernel 2.4.22-21mdk-smp(for my computer a P4 ) and the matching kernel source 2.4.22-21 rpm's..Installed both, and rebooted..Checked to see if the kernel was updated with"uname-a" no quotes.. it was installed OK..
Went to an command line and su'd and password and typed "init 3" no quotes.Logged in as root and typed the password..Went to the folder where I had the nvidia driver was located and typed "sh NVIDIA XXXXXX" again no quotes(use actual filename)..It could not find an online kernel so it compiled one from the kernel source that I had previously installed...It returned to the logon prompt..I used the editor"vi" to edit the XF86Config-4 file and where it said
"nv" I changed it to "nvidia"..Saved the changes and exited..Rebooted by typing "shutdown -r now"and when it restarted the beautiful NVIDIA splash screen was there..Even played a bit of tuxracer..OK so I did not advance from the herring run...
Thanks for all the help provided by others and wish for you, GoodLuck!!!
JP
 
Old 12-14-2003, 06:12 PM   #15
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Hi all,
After considerable defeats, and another install I finally got the NVidia drivers installed..Thats not such a big deal for most, but for me, this was a major sucess..If it will help others,heres generally how I did it..(9.2 downloaded version)
First the default kernel installed was 2.4.22-10mdksmp....With no kernel source installed..
The mandrake secure had an updated kernel for the LG cdrom bug..I downloaded and installed,kernel 2.4.22-21mdk-smp(for my computer a P4 ) and the matching kernel source 2.4.22-21 rpm's..Installed both, and rebooted..Checked to see if the kernel was updated with"uname-a" no quotes.. it was installed OK..
Went to an command line and su'd and password and typed "init 3" no quotes.Logged in as root and typed the password..Went to the folder where I had the nvidia driver was located and typed "sh NVIDIA XXXXXX" again no quotes(use actual filename)..It could not find an online kernel so it compiled one from the kernel source that I had previously installed...It returned to the logon prompt..I used the editor"vi" to edit the XF86Config-4 file and where it said
"nv" I changed it to "nvidia"..Saved the changes and exited..Rebooted by typing "shutdown -r now"and when it restarted the beautiful NVIDIA splash screen was there..Even played a bit of tuxracer..OK so I did not advance from the herring run...
Thanks for all the help provided by others and wish for you, GoodLuck!!!
JP
Thank you for your post,

I myself just recently switched from 9.1 to 9.2(9.1 being my first exp. with linux GNU) and did not know what to do to get the NVIDIA driver to work, this post helped me out on knowing which kernel to use. Although I did not use the SMP kernel, I used the reguar one but still wound up with the same result, A WORKING VIDEO DRIVER!!!! I just got done testing it with Americas Army....hooah!!!

Now, how can I change the order on my startup menu to have the 2.4.22-21 kernel at the top? This way I do not have to be around to select the right kernel.
 
  


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