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Old 05-04-2004, 12:48 AM   #1
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Mdk10 install issues with SATA Drive [FIXED]


[FIXED - See bottom of this post for a summary of the solution]

i'm having tons of problems installing Mandrake 10.0 official on my computer... i've gotten to the point that i'm almost ready to give up and stick with winxp, which i'd really hate to do... so here's my situation, i hope somebody can help me:



- about a 2 weeks ago i installed mdk 10 on my pc, splitting my 20GB IDE HD 50-50 between linux and winxp. everything went smooth, no problems during install, linux worked great, tons of new software, some minor issues with playing audio cds and my ATI Gfx card which i managed to fix....

- one week after that a get a new 160GB Maxtor SATA HD (6Y160M0) because 20gigs was already tight for one OS, but for two, it's simply not enough.

- I install the HD... linux picks it up without any problems, asks me how i want to partition, where to mount, etc... WinXP kinda struggles with it... i have to install this driver and that software, etc, etc...

- i decide to install linux on my new harddrive, since it's much faster than the old one (besides being much bigger of course) and let WinXP rot on the old one... i uninstall linux (delete the partitions via PartitionMagic), do a fixmbr so that lilo doesn't try to boot anymore, and start installing linux.

- bummer... big mistake! when i try to install linux, the install completely freezes at about 25%!! i try again... this time i freezes during partitioning. try again - same thing.

- i start searching the web for solutions... find out that SATA is still under heavy development... crap.

- i try various fixes... like making the partitions "Linux RAID" instead of ext3... install crashes at approx. 70%

- now i'm really getting pissed off! i try installing linux on my old HD again... setup goes through partitioning just fine... finishes copying files... final setup... looking good!.... installing bootloader.... @&$*%&!!! it crashed again!

- restart computer... What the ..?! Lilo appears! i select "linux-smp"... loading... Welcome to Mandrake... ok... ok... filesystem unmounted incorrectly... checking integraty... reboot... loading.. Welcome... ok, ok, ok, passed, ok, failed, ok, ok... and instead of X Windows a get the console... hmm, no problem: startx [return]... error, rebooting... %&@%^&!!!

- try reinstalling linux again... this time unplugging the SATA drive, so that i have the same system i started out with, on which i was able to install linux without any problems. do the reinstall... crashes...



i seriously have NO idea why it's doing this to me! i mean i heard about other people having problems with their SATA drives, but i unplugged it! completely! no power, no connection! and besides Mdk 10 runs on kernel 2.6.x, right? so it shouldn't have problems with SATA in the first place!!

if anyone could help me with this, i'd be really grateful... i'm this close to giving up linux, although i really liked it... it just doesn't want to work for me...


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*** FIXED ***

My Setup:
Code:
Motherboard: (ASUS) A7N8X Deluxe rev.2.0    
[Same problem seems to occur with similar Asus boards like A7N8X-X]
Processor:   (AMD) Athlon XP 2500+
RAM:         512 MB
Graphics:    (ATI) Radeon 9200SE
HD1:         (Seagate) 20GB ATA
HD2:         (Maxtor) 160GB SATA


** Mandrake randomly freezes during setup (or after being installed):

-> Disable APIC and Local APIC. (Support for Multi-processor systems)

a) Mandrake freezes during install
Code:
At the first screen during install, where it asks you 
to press F1 or ENTER (Screenshot), press F1! 
Enter "linux noapic nolapic" for normal install 
or "expert noapic nolapic" for advanced setup.
b) Mandrake freezes randomly while running
Code:
- open the kmenu (click the star in the lower-left corner)
- go to System>Configuration>Configure Your Computer
- enter the root password in the dialog 
  (may not show up if you didn't set a root password)
- click on boot
- click on boatloader
- make sure that the checkboxes saying "Force No Local APIC" 
  and "Force No APIC" are CHECKED
- click next
- click finish
***

I don't know what caused all the problems, but they appeared right after I installed the SATA drive, so I assumed at first that it must be the hard drive that caused it. I'm not sure whether that is the case or not... it could also be the motherboard, or the nForce2 chipset on it because most people who have posted questions about this problem had this motherboard or at least another one with that chipset. Either way, turning off APIC and Local APIC seems to work in this case.

Last edited by Mike23; 05-07-2004 at 04:05 PM.
 
Old 05-04-2004, 04:25 AM   #2
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In fairness, you've tried installing it several times, both to ATA and SATA drives, and it hasn't worked. Isn't the obvious answer that the problem isn't with your hard drives?

It sounds like you've either got a dodgy installation CD/DVD or your CD/DVD drive may be knackered. I'm running Mandrake 10 on a box with 3 250GB SATA drives, and there have been no difficulties with it whatsoever. In fact, despite what some people might tell you, a variety of SATA controllers have been pretty well-supported under Linux for quite some time now,

Please post *detailed* error messages you receive when trying to install, as well as a full listing of your hardware configuration and we'll see if the problem lies there.
 
Old 05-04-2004, 07:58 AM   #3
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i get random crahes on the install of MK10 also, around partitioning and package selection, its never actually reached the installilg part. i thought it was my SATA that was causing it but if other people have done it fine im not sure what else to check.
 
Old 05-04-2004, 08:22 AM   #4
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Quote:
Originally posted by grekster
i get random crahes on the install of MK10 also, around partitioning and package selection, its never actually reached the installilg part. i thought it was my SATA that was causing it but if other people have done it fine im not sure what else to check.
I comfort you ... you are not alone ... itried desperatly to install mandrake 10 and andrake 10 amd 64 Údition to my " server to be" computer wish have only a sata drive. it seems that we have to stay for an RC1 edition of the mandrake 10 ... with Ó better Sata support ...

Obviously ... even the 9.2 doesn't ork properly ... it crashes randomly ( some times Xserver , sometimes SATA support , sometimes just server related stuff)

Also , if there are " nvidia shipset" user ... you can't count on this distro too ...
 
Old 05-04-2004, 10:03 AM   #5
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i got an nvidia chipset too lol. looks my computer is not very linux compliant

whats RC1 edition?
 
Old 05-04-2004, 10:46 AM   #6
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mike, maybe u have already done it, but if not unplug the sata cable FROM THE MOTHERBOARD
 
Old 05-04-2004, 08:07 PM   #7
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Quote:
In fairness, you've tried installing it several times, both to ATA and SATA drives, and it hasn't worked. Isn't the obvious answer that the problem isn't with your hard drives?
at the beginning of my post i wrote:
Quote:
about a 2 weeks ago i installed mdk 10 on my pc, splitting my 20GB IDE HD 50-50 between linux and winxp. everything went smooth, no problems during install, linux worked great, tons of new software, some minor issues with playing audio cds and my ATI Gfx card which i managed to fix....
so linux worked fine until i installed the SATA drive and tried to reinstall it! that's why i am assuming that the problem must be the HD.


Quote:
mike, maybe u have already done it, but if not unplug the sata cable FROM THE MOTHERBOARD
yeah, i tried that already....

Quote:
whats RC1 edition?
Release Candidate 1... kinda like a first beta release.

Last edited by Mike23; 05-05-2004 at 01:53 AM.
 
Old 05-05-2004, 01:56 AM   #8
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finally got it to work!

F1 at install screen, then passed "expert noapic nolapic" to the command line. you might want to try this too, grekster. if you want just the standard install instead of expert, pass "linux noapic nolapic" instead.
 
Old 05-05-2004, 02:16 AM   #9
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thanks but what does linux noapic nolapic do????
 
Old 05-05-2004, 03:06 AM   #10
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far as i know it forces no support for multiple processors... so unless you're using a multi-processor system, you don't need to worry about losing any functionality.
usually these two parameters aren't needed, but for some hardware configurations it is necassary, i guess.... i have a Asus A7N8X Deluxe that's based on the nvidia2 chipset... maybe it's that? dunno... either way, using those two parameters worked for me!
 
Old 05-05-2004, 03:30 AM   #11
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right ill try that then, so you just press f1 when your installing and put them in?
 
Old 05-05-2004, 04:30 AM   #12
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at the very beginning where it asks you to press [F1] for additional options or [ENTER] for normal install, press F1. then type "linux noapic nolapic" and press enter. the normal install will start, just with the new options.

with these settings it installed ok for me, however, now i'm having problems booting it... so don't get your spirits too high
 
Old 05-05-2004, 11:21 AM   #13
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it never asks me to press enter or f1 :S i put the boot disk in and it loads up the install, asks me where on the hard drive the tree is and then it goes into the gui'd install bit, and it freezes there
 
Old 05-05-2004, 12:20 PM   #14
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ok got it installed but it wont boot again, the first time through it got to the splash screen the froze, now it wont get to the logon anyone on the ball with this?

also on the bootloader it has load of options (linux ....4gig or something, linux, failsafe, windows, floppy and some others) can anyone tell me what these options are.
 
Old 05-05-2004, 12:41 PM   #15
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Hi, I have multiprocessor system running MDK 10 beta2 release. I had huge problems also installing MDK and found out that beta2 version of the release was the only one to work with SATA driver (RC1 wasn't out then, and haven't tried that)

I have to use "special" config to get my system booting correctly. I Added these options to my LILO boot options for dual processor system with normal ATA drive (same apply for GRUB, since those are only parameters passed to kernel)
devfs=mount acpi=ht splash=silent

And these options for other single processor system running from SATA drive:
acpi=off noapic (not sure what other options there is, since the system is now out of my reach)
 
  


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