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Old 08-24-2006, 07:08 PM   #1
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Mandriva 2007 Beta CD's time out???


I am not sure it will even work. But, looking at Mandriva Odin 2007 Beta 2, it looks as if the same CD's will run both 586 and 64 bit.

I thought I'd try downloading the 6 Cd's while they are still free.

But, before I do, I have a question.

Do the beta CD's time out after while, or are they permanent like any other if they would work good enough?

I am so used to CE being untested, that beta doesn't scare me much, though I have never yet installed one.


When I started using Linux in 1999, I thought I'd always pay, to support the movement. However, Mandrake shipped some real junk, so I stopped paying for Mandrake, though I kept using it.

Then, I decided to buy SuSe 9.2 for $100, thinking from the reviews that it was going to be great.n KPPP did not work, and a lot of people ran into that. Support told them they needed an external modem, which was incredibly stupid, and those who were gullible enough to buy external modems soon found out it was stupid. (KPPP would not open its box; it was not a case of running the modem, which worked fine with wvdial.)

Wvdial is fine for a one-site desktop, but totally disgusting for laptop use when one has 8 or 10 services and locations, and wvdial expects you to run a stupid set-up wizard each time. A stupid set up wizard which forced you to enter ip numbers JUST BEFORE it let you select automatic.

So I don't pay for anything any more. If I must fight tooth and nail to make a distro work, I don't expect to pay for it, too. That is why I'd like to try the Beta 2, but must wonder if there is some catch, such as time-out on the beta.

Thanks!
 
Old 08-25-2006, 04:20 AM   #2
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No there is no time out on the beta, but it is a beta and being such you can expect to find some bugs in it so dont cry when everything does not work as you expect.
 
Old 08-25-2006, 04:42 AM   #3
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Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by irlandes
I am not sure it will even work. But, looking at Mandriva Odin 2007 Beta 2, it looks as if the same CD's will run both 586 and 64 bit.

I thought I'd try downloading the 6 Cd's while they are still free.

You're teasing me, where's the Link? OK, ok, I found one

Six dual architecture (i586 and x86_64) CDs. You can use them on both
32- and 64-bit x86 machines, the installer will detect your processor
and boot the correct version of the installer. If you want to use a 32
bit installation on a 64 bit machine, you can select it pressing F3
then F6 at the boot prompt.

Size: 6x700 MiB
ftp://mdk.linux.org.tw/pub/mandrakel...0/i586-x86_64/

Last edited by GlennsPref; 08-25-2006 at 05:25 AM.
 
Old 08-25-2006, 06:08 AM   #4
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Almost all the packages will be free after release. Only the 4-7 ISO files will be club member only and the commercial packages but they are all on plf.
Time limited Linux distro? Where did you see that? I haven't even heard about it.
 
Old 08-25-2006, 01:56 PM   #5
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Is there going to be a huggy "bittorrentable" dvd also? (at least for the released 2007)
 
Old 08-25-2006, 04:56 PM   #6
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Thanks all...

The reason I asked this question is because later, all they give free for download that I can ever find is the 3 CD's of CE, which, in case no one uses it, is CLEARLY untested. So, I see 6 full CD's available for free download, and assume there is a bunch of Contrib material -- not sure, but 6 CD's is a lot in comparison to the 3 of CE later on. There has to be something in there!

So, I wondered if there was a catch. The only catch (not answered below about untested CE) might be some time limit, so that was just a CYA question.

As far as Beta, as I said, CE is untested. LE 2005 CE was really bad. I worked around stuff for almost a year, fixing things one at a time, and now finally have it working pretty good.

I'm not really afraid of Beta 2 after some years of using Zero Test versions. But, if it doesn't work, I can reinstall, and the cost was fair. It has had at least one beta cycle which is better than CE.

By the way, in case someone takes umbrage at my statement that CE is untested, Mandrake (when it was still Mandrake) admitted it was untested. Some reviewer lambasted them for CE, and they told him it wasn't fair to judge their work by evaluating untested stuff. That was their own term for CE, not his, and CE has too many obvious signs of being untested.

I do this sort of mass download, because I spend most of time in the Third World part of Mexico, still waiting for a phone 2 years 8 months after first application. That means even update/repostiroy activity is also out. So, I need to download while in the States, everything I am going to need while I am there.

This visit, I plan to take back a Dell Desktop with big enough HD to install a number of distros. Mandriva Beta2 2007; Freespire; Kubuntu; Puppy.
 
Old 08-25-2006, 04:58 PM   #7
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So what happened to delete mode? My machine indicated my long posting was lost, so I typed in a short one, and when I sent it, there was my original long posting. It was logical to delete this one, but no delete button.

Last edited by irlandes; 08-25-2006 at 05:00 PM.
 
Old 08-25-2006, 07:38 PM   #8
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Thanks for the headsup.

And for the info on what the situation is like in Mexico.

That's a long time to wait for a phone line.

Also, I've had similar problems when posting here,
but i found it is still a better forum than some of the others I've seen.
 
Old 08-26-2006, 06:37 PM   #9
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Not normal in Mexico

Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennsPref
Thanks for the headsup.

And for the info on what the situation is like in Mexico.

That's a long time to wait for a phone line.

Also, I've had similar problems when posting here,
but i found it is still a better forum than some of the others I've seen.
The delay on the phone is not normal all over Mexico. There is a problem in the regional office in Tehuacan with fraud and other assorted crimes. When they get a work order from the Mexico city headquarters, they obviously tear it up.

The last attempt was in early August. We had filed an application for one over a year ago, and they came out to install it AFTER my wife had to leave to be with our daughter who was having a baby. She had asked the builder to sign for it, and the company for totally unknown reasons said they would not install it unless she personally was there, though she had signed an authorization paper for him to do it.
***
I have downloaded and burned all 6 CD's, and will look at them after I finish downloading Knoppix 5.0.1 for CD.
 
Old 08-26-2006, 07:57 PM   #10
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If you like live cd's try slax. It is based on slackware (i think) and is not a "safe" cd like knoppix.

Meaning you can access partitions, write to hd's etc without too much playing around.

I found it a great tool for checking out broken xp installs(virus etc).
 
Old 08-27-2006, 11:14 AM   #11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennsPref
If you like live cd's try slax. It is based on slackware (i think) and is not a "safe" cd like knoppix.

Meaning you can access partitions, write to hd's etc without too much playing around.

I found it a great tool for checking out broken xp installs(virus etc).
I may look at that. I think pclinuxos also does that.

I just learned that puppy 2.02 has native write capacity for NTFS. That sounds interesting. I also just learned that one can install KDE on Puppy.

And, freespire includes proprietary stuff, which allegedly runs my linksys wifi card. I gotta' try that. Now, if I can get NTFS oon freespire that will be cool.

I do not like to re-install on my main machine. All it takes is to forget one small item, and there is a lot of despair in a new install.

Thanks for tips.
 
Old 08-29-2006, 02:26 AM   #12
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I just learned that puppy 2.02 has native write capacity for NTFS
Well, you can install ntfs_3g on any distro (yes some write support :-)
http://www.linux-ntfs.org/
AFAIK ntfs support is still alpha/beta

Read in the FAQ (possibly out of date)
Puppy version 0.9.7+ does have limited NTFS write support. That is, the Linux NTFS driver can safely write to a file if it already exists, but cannot safely create or resize a file
June 2006 NTFS support needs attention also.

2.10 alpha is using ntfs_3g-20060714beta ntfsprogs-1.13.0
 
Old 09-01-2006, 12:43 PM   #13
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Cool DL Suse 10.x, Fedora Core 5 when access available,or someone mail DVD 2 U in Mexico

Ir.. R U buying a whole new LT, or just New HD in an existing dell (##)? I built my LT Bb, can tweak it more! Runs COLD compared to 9300 or many new Tpads @ local College in Gamer Lounge
btw, maybe just edit this w/ some good info applicable 2 thread if no delete (?)
Quote:
Originally Posted by irlandes
SNPD So what happened to delete mode? logical to delete this one, but no delete button.
Hope 2 try FC5, ODIN (Mandriva 2007 b2), Kubuntu, w/Suse10.2 on LT 100GB7200SATA HD.
BTW, all Please C my thread in Newbie about no ODIN root option during a New Install (I am booting w/ multiple M$ OS).

I just Dld linux-ntfs 08022 (+New Gparted w/ it), Puppy & Live Slax next!!

Last edited by digital8doug; 09-01-2006 at 03:50 PM. Reason: GLENNSPREF ty for INFO on linux-ntfs! Q1 What U mean by Slax not 'SAFE' like Knoppix? I not use Live option yet. Q2. Broken XP installs (Virus) How work? RVDowning-I Dld ODIN w/ BitTorrent 4 last week
 
  


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