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Old 08-30-2003, 09:17 PM   #16
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Doh!
Just to add something helpful; why does Mandrake not warn about incompatible hardware (like say: "Hey moron, your processor like doesn't work")?
What I'm trying to say is that Mandrake should explain, in simple terms, that the processor is incompatible and then quit, not continue.
Are there any distributions that'll work with a 486 processor?

BTW: I always thought that Linux would copy the sourcefiles to harddisk and then compile Linux according to the processor :|
 
Old 09-01-2003, 03:13 AM   #17
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Actually.....

lchisholm:

My best guess is that the problem you received was an error from the X-server (XFree86). That would mean a video configuration problem during boot. Did you try the text mode install from the F1 option when the cdrom first starts to boot?



Snowflake:

Mandrake is optimized for i586 class processors because practically ALL of the target audience uses pentium of higher class machines. There is a significant speed boost on those machines when this is done. Actually, Mandrake brags about being optimized for i586+ several few places in their literature. I can point out the default apache page that ships with Mandrake as an example.

YOU CAN INSTALL Mandrake on a 486, just not the i586 version, just as you could not install the ppc (Macintosh) version on a pentium. Mandrake doesn't ship a version pre-compiled for an i386 or i486 processor. To run this on a 386 or 486, you would need to recompile any package you might want to install or is used for the installation. This isn't that hard, but would take forever unless you have a faster machine to compile on. Given the hardware you are looking at, you really couldn't run much useful desktop applications, so I assume you are looking to run servers or a firewall without a desktop running on that box.

The hardware could easily handle many different servers with ease and of course display GUI programs on another machine accross the network, but Mandrake's biggest strengths are the desktop, applications, and hardware support. Older hardware like you have will be supported by practially everything under the sun though, so you have lots of options. Look for a distibution compiled for i386, or go with a source-based distribution like Gentoo if you know what you are doing (WARNING!!!, on a 486, it might take a day or more to install, as everything is compiled from scratch, but it will be almost as fast as it can get once done because it will be taylored to the hardware).

I can't answer your questions regarding an incompatible processor, but remember that Linux is extremely flexible. I share a partition over my network between multiple machines. Say for arguments sake that one machine was a i586 and the other an athlon (i686 family, but supports a little more than a straight i686); I might want to install a binary that would run fast on my athlon and and that I don't care to run on my i586.
 
Old 09-01-2003, 10:01 AM   #18
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Mandrake 9.2 RC1

Well I tried the F1 and several of the options that you type in.
None worked so I guess it will have to wait for the next update.

Thanks for the tip.
Larry
 
Old 09-01-2003, 02:21 PM   #19
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So, failure on the text mode install?

If you were not able to install via text mode. I think something might be rather strange about your system. Care to list your complete system specs so I can do a quick check for known compatibility problems? If you can run Mandrake 9.1, it's probably a temporary bug that they need to know about. For example, my system can't run the framebuffer since PNY dinked around with NVIDIA's firmware on their Geforce4 line, but I can run X.
 
Old 09-01-2003, 03:29 PM   #20
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Mandrake 9.2 RC1

Hi Azlinon

Well I have
Dell optiplex gx110
Bios a09
Western digital 60g drive
500 mhz
broadband
52x24x52 cd drive
HP psc1210 and a hp laserjet 6L


I had the beta rel installed. it stopped after entering the user data and password. Came up that the printer-utils were missing

but when I rebooted it all seemed ok.
right now I have red hat severn in that logical drive and all works fine. I have been tempted to make another free space drive out of one of my other logicals that I don't need all the space but was not sure what it would do to the master boot record since I also have Windows ME on dr. C and Windows XP on dr. D
which is a dual boot that comes up when Grub comes up with the red hat and DOS options.

Thanks for all your diligent work on this prob.
Larry.
 
Old 09-01-2003, 09:29 PM   #21
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printer-utils

I saw mention a few other placed of printer-utils package having problems in the 9.2 betas/RC1. This was a problem with printer-drake if I recall. I think the workaround was to just unplug the printer during install, then configure it directly via cups afterwards (http://localhost:631).

I had no clue that you got that far into the install. I doubt it is an X-server problem like I suggested. I just never realized that you got into the GUI for the install.

I don't use Grub myself, but I assume you have it as your system's default loader? If your other install has the grub loader using the MBR, you can use expert mode and tell mandrake to use the root partition you are installing to for the bootloader. You can then ignore this setup there and manually setup your grub loader using the information in the config files there as a template.

Personally, I found bootmagic (part of powerquest partition magic) very convenient for situations where Windows and multiple Linux installs had to coexist. You let it boot out of a 20MB or so fat12 partition at the start of your drive and then let the all the other operating systems, even Linux install their loaders to their own partitions. This way, you get a bootloader for mandrake, and a seperate bootloader for readhat that are completely independant of each other.
 
Old 09-02-2003, 06:04 AM   #22
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Mandrake 9.2 RC1

Good morning Azlinon:

It was the beta release that I got down to the printer-utils.
On the RC1 I don't get anywhere with it.
It gets into the second stage and I think there is something displayed when you get the status bar that it is loading it into memory and then the first screen after that is where the server error appears and then it has a bunch of errors listed and halts saying it is safe to reboot.
I have boot magic and tried to use it for awhile but I had some serious problems mostly on my part and had to rebuild my system several times.
My wife wishes I would get my own to play with and I am trying to get the money to do that.
Larry.
 
Old 09-02-2003, 10:41 AM   #23
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Could anyone tell me if Mandrake 9.2 supports Geforce FX line of video cards natively? What I mean by that is if it'll work at least in 2D mode. I just upgraded to a GeForce FX 5200 from a GeForce 2 card and discovered I was encountering new problems installing Mandrake 9.1, RedHat 9 or SuSE 8.2 Pro.
 
Old 09-02-2003, 12:40 PM   #24
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Well 9.1 sure did, and it was very easy to install the latest nvidia drivers to enable 3D too. My 9.0 PowerPack even had the then-latest drivers, so no download needed to enable 3D. I'm willing to bet my pc (for I will when I go to install 9.2 ) that it'll work in 2D, with software-only 3D til you upgrade.

Can we have new questions in new threads please, instead of having to try and answer them all together here. This was just to alert you all to the new download.
 
  


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