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Old 11-27-2004, 01:03 AM   #1
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mandrake 9.2-10.1 upgrade problem


Well, I upgraded 9.2 to 10.1, and now I'm having all sorts of problems. Can't ftp (connection actively refused), can't login at console (the login box SHAKES after putting in the password), can't hit the web server or use webmin (says server is operating in SSL mode). The only thing that does still work is ssh.

The only thing I can figure is that changing the security from standard to high messed something up, but I have no clue where to start.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

BTW, the reason for changing the security is because I'm using the box as a inTERnet web server and thought it'd be better to increase the security.
 
Old 11-27-2004, 01:19 AM   #2
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Did you upgrade 9.2 to 10.1 or did you wipe 9.2 first and then do a fresh install of 10.1?

It is NOT recommended that you upgrade from the 9.x series to the 10.x series because of some of the major underlying changes that were made.

In short it makes it VERY difficult to have a successful upgrade.

If this is what you have done, I strongly suggest you go with a fresh install of 10.1, definately NOT an upgrade.

Cheers
 
Old 11-27-2004, 01:54 AM   #3
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Murpy mandates an upgrade, of course!!!

I guess I'd prefer to try and solve this if possible first before giving up. Partially for learning as I'm in the newbie category. Also, with the services I have installed and as long as it took me to get ssh and everything else to work, I'd rather give fixing it a shot.

Thanks.
 
Old 11-27-2004, 12:16 PM   #4
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It's more than just Murphy!

Don't try the upgrade path, he is telling you this for a reason.

You will be unable to "fix" the numerous problems that will develop.

Perform a clean install.

I've outlined in other threads, how to do this while retaining your old files, and saving your settings so that you can refer to them (but not re-use them) after the install.
 
Old 11-27-2004, 05:42 PM   #5
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opjose,

too late! Murphy had his way with me already (and how)!

I backed up the /usr and /var/web directories to newly installed hard drives and will do a "fresh" install on hda.

I'm following the instructions for the 10.1 ftp install.... grrrr.

Thanks.
 
Old 11-27-2004, 06:04 PM   #6
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You have done the right thing and saved yourself a LOT of time and heartache.

I hope you will be enjoying your freshly installed mandrake soon.

Cheers
 
Old 11-27-2004, 06:27 PM   #7
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thanks JK & Opjose.

The ftp install is running right now. Pretty slick, I must say.

This has been the weekend from he11. On my main XP box, the external USB drive puked because the fan stopped running and the drive got too hot. Then, I noticed on my Linux box that the CPU fan was disconnected, which likely explains why it would sometimes lock up. Now this. I even went through the trouble of updating my 9.2 installation with all patches, etc before doing the 10.1 upgrade, thinking it would go more smoothly. This seems to be a page taken right out of the MiserableSoft playbook!

I found a thread that explained that something changed, but can't find it anymore. Do you know off hand why the upgrade is so problematic, or can you refer me to a thread?

Thanks again for the subtle hints!!!
 
Old 11-27-2004, 06:46 PM   #8
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There are many reasons here are three

1) The 2.6 kernel

2) The change from using XFree to Xorg

3) They are now using udev

A lot of other things have had fairly big upgrades within themselves e.g kde , between 9.2 and 10.1 so it's not just what mandrake has done.

Some new things rely on different or upgraded libraries that conflict with older libraries.

But the main problems are that often these changes rely on different config files. So your old ones are going to be basically useless. And it is the old config files that are kept in an upgrade so you can see why it is going to be a nightmare.

The whole idea of upgrading is to SAVE you time so you don't have to reconfigure everything. But in this case, if you upgrade you are going to have to do it manually and with a lot less success than if you just did a clean install.

So there you have it. The reasons (or some of them) why you shouldn;t try to upgrade from 9.x to 10.x. I don't even know if anyone has actually done it with any sort of success.

Any way if you have a look around and do some googling there is plenty of info out there that goes into the specifics of the changes, why they were made and what benefit they are. Remember there are quite a few , I have by no means given you everything. Idon't even pretend to know them all.

Hope this was of some use.

Cheers
 
Old 11-28-2004, 08:28 PM   #9
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1. backup ur inportant data
2. reboot
3. do a CLEAN install

and have fun. upgrades and HIGHLY frowned upon.
 
Old 11-29-2004, 01:17 AM   #10
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I have never had any success on the note of a total right is rain upgrade myself. I would suggest a fresh install everytime.
 
Old 11-30-2004, 12:41 AM   #11
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Thanks slipaway.

Is that the case specifically for Mandrake Linux, or all distributions?
 
Old 11-30-2004, 11:13 PM   #12
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Maybe this belongs in the "newbie" category, but since I started this thread, I'll ask here....

I added the two new drives to the system, partitioned and formatted and mounted them, and backed up /etc on one and /var/www on the other. Now, the drives are showing up as not being partitioned. I'm pretty sure it was ext2. Any ideas why they are "clean" and if it's possible to reconstruct them? Thanks.
 
  


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