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Old 05-19-2004, 02:52 PM   #1
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Question Mandrake 10 Installation Problem


I recently installed Mandrake 10.0 on my desktop without any issues. I was up and running right from the start. I decided to install it on my laptop (HP Pavilion N5190, Pentium III 700Mhz, 256M Ram, 10Gb HD, S3 Savage IX Video, 4Mb video) and have run into a brick wall.

During installation, I get to the summary where I can review all of the setup details. There is an error with my Graphical Interface setting. (not configured)

I have tried configuring my Graphical Interface. My video card is a S3 Savage IX, however this is not listed in the driver database.

I have tried [S3 (generic), S3 (sw_cursor), Savage, Savage MX] & the only one that tested correct was the S3 (sw_cursor), however after continuing past the Graphical Interface configuration, the system locks. None of the other drivers pass the Screen Test.

If I continue without configuring, The install will go as planned, however I cannot access KDE as startx is not installed/configured. I only have access to terminal. I did try XF86CONFIG from the temrinal, but being a newb, I haven't had any luck.

I have downloaded the correct driver from S3GRAPHICS but I am at a loss. I can install the driver only AFTER installing the OS and I can't install the OS. I would like to try to select a generic VGA driver, but I cannot find one.

I have found a lot of posts on this forum which have been helpful and am confident that someone out there can help me. I'm hoping that it is not a hardware issue. I previously had Windows XP on the machine with no problems and decided to wipe it out.
 
Old 05-20-2004, 12:08 PM   #2
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A little followup tidbit...

I copied a Madrade Move CD. The system runs just fine with Mandrake Move. Checking on the device settings in Mandrake Move, I see that it configured the video card as [S3 Savage (generic,sw_cursor)] but it only gives a max resolution of 800 x 600.

Why will Mandrake Move work with the [S3 Savage (generic,sw_cursor)] driver but not Mandrake 10.0? I will try to reinstall at only an 800 x 600 resolution.
 
Old 05-20-2004, 01:00 PM   #3
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This is only a guess, but perhaps that driver can only handle a certain resolution?

If that is the case, at least you can get the OS installed & then update the graphics drivers later.
 
Old 05-20-2004, 02:25 PM   #4
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I thought the same thing & just tried it, using the same settings as mandrake move. Generic Monitor / S3 Savage (generic,sw_cursor) / 800 x 600. The system still locks up.

I also tryed not installing XFree and it still locks.

If I could only get startX to work, then I could install the newest driver.
 
Old 05-20-2004, 05:18 PM   #5
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When you say you tried the install without XFree, do you mean you tried it without any graphical environment whatsoever, deselecting graphical desktops etc?

Strange that installing even without XFree still causes the system to hang like this.

OK, I'm running out of ideas, but I have two more suggestions:

1. I read on a couple of forum posts that colour depth may cause trouble.

Have you tried setting the colours to 16 million, instead of 24?

2. You mentioned in your first post that you managed to install the system to begin with, but text only.
You were then able to run xf86config but the driver still did not work.
If you can get Mandrake installed to that point, try running xf68config again, but selecting the generic "vesa" drivers, does that produce a result?

Play with the configuration settings, trying 1024x768 (or similar, can't remember now) then 800x600 and trying 24 million, 16million etc
Also, make sure your refresh rates are correct for the display. They should be in your manuals somewhere or on the Internet.

Also, remember that when you run xf86config by default it writes your new configuration file to XF86Config, and you need it in XF86Config-4

after you've run xf86config, type the following commands:

mv /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config.old
cp /etc/X11/XF86Config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4

This moves your old configuration file if you need to get back to it (though if it doesn't work, I doubt it would be much use to you)
t then copies the file xf86config generated by default to the correct file for XFree86 4.x

You may have to try this a couple of times until you find a configuration that works well for you. I'm sorry I can't be of much more help at this point. Try it and see how it goes.
 
Old 05-21-2004, 09:52 AM   #6
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Swampy,

You are correct in your assumption that it still hangs without installing any Graphical environment. To answer your 2 questions:

1. I have tried 16 Million Colors, 24 Million, & 256 Colors to no avail.

2. After installing without a GUI, I did run xf86config & it did write to XF86Config. I was not aware that I had to rename the file however.

I will try to rewrite the XF86Config file. I do remember getting a different error when trying to run startx. I'm going off memeory here but I think the error was:

/usr/X11/X is not a file or directory

Again, that may not have been the error verbatim, but close to it.

I do appreciate all of your help. I brought a copy on Lycoris Linux just to try to install it.
 
Old 05-21-2004, 01:02 PM   #7
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That was going to be my last resort suggestion. If your laptop doesn't like this distro, try some of the others around. Fedora or SuSE, for example.

I assume you've had a look at tuxmobil.org to see if someone has already installed Linux on your model laptop. Even if your specific model isn't listed, at least you'll see what distro the majority of people have had most success with HP laptops.

Essentially, we know that you can get Linux up & running on your machine, just not with a GUI right now. This seems down to how the distro sets up the X server, not down to any quirk of your hardware (as we've seen from your test with MandrakeMove. This is simply a case of finding out which flavour of Linux will do the most automatically.

As a thought, does Knoppix work OK on your Laptop? If so there is a knoppix-installer program which will install Knoppix onto your hard drive. I've heard that it's an easy way to get a system running with an up to date version of Debian, and when you set up apt-get right you will essentially have an up-to-date copy of Debian (by up-to-date I mean running testing/unstable packages which is still robust as far as modern distros go). I've never tried this myself, but I'm tempted to try it when I take delivery of a laptop in a few weeks' time. Try the latest copy of Knoppix and see how that goes as another option.
 
Old 05-21-2004, 03:04 PM   #8
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Swampy

I did check tuxmobile.org ehich states that the HP Pavilion n5190 is compatable. I also tried to install Lycoris distro, also with no luck. I think it is bad hardware. I stopped using the laptop a while back because of errors with Windows ME. I just thought it was a bad OS, but it may be the hardware.

I haven't used Knoppix on the laptop, but I will try it. Thanks for your help.
 
  


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