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Old 03-25-2005, 03:09 AM   #106
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Re: I just want to say.....


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also you will need to regenerate your menus.
Ok, newbie as I am as well, I wonder how you do this? After updating to KDE 3.4 some entries are missing from my menu, especially system control and developing-tools. On Gnome, there isnīt any menu left. So I tried calling menudrake but although all programs are listed there they donīt show up in the menu.

Any ideas? I donīt want to go back to KDE 3.2 since KDE 3.4 works a lot better and faster on my machine.

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Old 03-25-2005, 07:14 AM   #107
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I have had nothing but issues with thac's rpm's and I am no newbie.

The first problem is that he doesn't follow mandrake's policy on making the rpm's so his rpm's usually breaks any install you already have that is stable.

I would just wait for 10.2 to be released which should be in the next month or so or just download the source and compile it yourself.

But I really wouldn't use his rpm's. Even when I have emailed him about the dependencies he has broken he will not fix them. IMHO your taking a risk.

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Old 03-25-2005, 07:25 AM   #108
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I have had nothing but issues with thac's rpm's and I am no newbie.

The first problem is that he doesn't follow mandrake's policy on making the rpm's so his rpm's usually breaks any install you already have that is stable.

I would just wait for 10.2 to be released which should be in the next month or so or just download the source and compile it yourself.

But I really wouldn't use his rpm's. Even when I have emailed him about the dependencies he has broken he will not fix them. IMHO your taking a risk.
Definitley you have a point...his 3.3.2 rpms were ok, at least the sutff that got broken wasn't that bad. The 3.4 rpms can make yu unhappy very veyr quickly...I went back to 3.2 and I'll upgrade when mdk 10.2 is available to the version that comes with 10.2. I learned my lesson and I do no have the tahcs repositories configured in my box....
 
Old 03-25-2005, 09:26 AM   #109
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At the end of the day There was so much was so much "thac" stuff in my system that I decided last night to reinstall mdk 10.1

Lucky I have everything running now so it is good... mdk 10.1 and kde 3.2 with all the latest patches, samba working etc.
 
Old 03-25-2005, 11:08 AM   #110
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I have had nothing but issues with thac's rpm's and I am no newbie.

The first problem is that he doesn't follow mandrake's policy on making the rpm's so his rpm's usually breaks any install you already have that is stable.

I would just wait for 10.2 to be released which should be in the next month or so or just download the source and compile it yourself.

But I really wouldn't use his rpm's. Even when I have emailed him about the dependencies he has broken he will not fix them. IMHO your taking a risk.
Yes, Thac's RPM's are a big risk and his KDE 3.4 ruined my system, but I knew the risk I was taking and got everything recovered with no problem. The problem is that people want to have these new versions but nobody, at least to my knowledge, really packages these things, not even the Mandrake team. Even the RPM voting is a joke on the Mandrake club. So, all we are left with is Thac's RPM's.

I personally wouldn't mind compiling from source, but have you seen the complexity in building KDE or x.org? I personally never understood their documentations. I tried using KDE's Konstruct tool, but that only lead me to a broken system. It's frustrating.
 
Old 03-25-2005, 02:29 PM   #111
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If you use the source and konstruct and compile it under a new account which is what I did. When I knew what it was going to do and feel like I then gave my own account access to it.
 
Old 03-25-2005, 02:29 PM   #112
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Couldn't agree more.....

.....it is not that Thacs is for inc everybody at gunpoint to use his rpms. Of course there is a reason why for example mandrake did not want to go to higher version of a any given software. It takes time and resources to test everything.

Thacs is fulfilling a void though: the Linux enthusiast can always get his rpm's and see where the bleeding edge can take him/her. and thac is not promising anything else, if it works, it works, if it doesn't don't come crying...

I don;t feel bad though. It has been a very interesting 2 weeks....upgrading to version 3.3 then 3.4 and trying to fix stuff. I learned stuff (commands) that I did not about. I know that I'll stay put (I should have learned my lesson a while back when I tried to install kde 3.3 form the mandrake CD's) for at least a couple of more months. In the meantime the box is working, serving anime to my xbox at home!!! and that is what counts. and Also that I got it running in 3 hours with all the software configured and patched.
 
Old 03-25-2005, 03:11 PM   #113
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But people should be warned first before posting this in the first place.

Thac's stuff is notorious for having crap for rpm's and everyone should have been warned before they used them.

That wasn't done and therfore newbies like you had serious issues that could have been a voided.
 
Old 03-25-2005, 04:57 PM   #114
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But people should be warned first before posting this in the first place.

Thac's stuff is notorious for having crap for rpm's and everyone should have been warned before they used them.

That wasn't done and therfore newbies like you had serious issues that could have been a voided.
Yes Sir!!.....

anyway...... I restablished my service and my pc is running therefore i'm ok....I'll wait for 102. to be officially out before I try more linux acrobatics!!
 
Old 03-26-2005, 11:34 AM   #115
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After figuring out the log in screen problem (switched to XDM) I haven't any real issues with KDE 3.4. Everyone is bitching about Thac's rpms but they didn't give me a single problem with the 3.4 install or any other install for that matter,

These are the problems I did have:

Some menus did disappear
Configure desktop disappeared
No shut down or reboot selections in log out screen
Launch Icons disappeared in system tray

But that's it. KDE 3.4 is so much faster on my machine than 3.2 that I would never go back. I fixed all the minor problems except for the log out screen issue. Any ideas?

Thanks.
 
Old 03-26-2005, 03:14 PM   #116
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Well, figured out how to install kde 3.4, got mine done after I screwed up my sound and could not get it working in kde. For me, I went to terminal, shut down display manager, started xfce4, used mcc "remove software" gui to remove all kde, then "install software" gui to install thac's kde 3.4, stop dm and use kdm command to start kde............voila, kde 3.4, and more importantly to me, sound working again. Missing menu items too, but have sound, woohoo.

Edit:Seems upgrade removed alot of software, had to reinstall midi for sound in Gaim, have strange keyboard issue I gave a thread of it's own, hotplug got turned off and not set to start at boot. Thanks to post below, I have now access to kcontrol, was missing from menu and did not know the run command, already knew mcc for rest of tools,

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Old 03-27-2005, 08:29 AM   #117
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Hi guys,

i've had a Mdk since 8.0, and Thac's rpms since >1 year, so far having few issues on my system, but some FS and nVidia's related on other system i've configured for relatives.

Know it's been a few days since i upgraded toThac's kde-3.4. Have had very few probs so far
- I've solved the Composite issue with removing it in xorg.conf
- Menu, Konqueror navigation panel, task bar issues are gone after removing ~/.kde which is recreated next start anyway with only a couple of configuration to do.
- Konsole does crash --> complained about some missing stuff then simply crash when i press any konsole's button. don't know how 2 solve this
- Konqueror's configuration is missing : white empty, but kcontrol's fine so far.

I'd say the look is beautifull enough for me to use Aterm rather than Konsole. Especially after i discovered the Plastik Window decoration along with White Keramik Colors. That's a nice theme, dude !

I've read People complaining about missing removable media's icons.
Well, here how to recover them :
- 1st, delete your ~/.kde directory then restart kde
- 2nd, launch kcontrol >> Look&Feel >> Behavior where icons can be activated. This is done
 
Old 03-27-2005, 08:34 PM   #118
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Konstruct Method

I got my KDE 3.4 working by using the Konstruct method. For those of you that do not know, Konstruct just downloads and automagically compiles KDE 3.4 for you. ONE drawback is that it takes a LONG time to compile and install. It took me about 3 hours, but well worth it.

Check out this webpage for a simple step-by-step guide to installing KDE 3.4 using Konstruct:
http://www.mojavelinux.com/articles/konstruct.html

It talks about KDE 3.2.3, but it still applies to KDE 3.4. I have tried it and my KDE 3.4 is working fine. All menus are there and no log in problems at all. I suggest newbs go this route instead of using Thac's Mandrake 10.1 KDE 3.4 RPM's. It may once in awhile say that you are missing so-and-so while compiling, but all you do is go into your Mandrake Control Center (or UPRMI) the missing dependency. I only needed to do this twice throughout the whole process. Be aware that it continues where you left off after resuming the 'make install' command again so no need to think that you have to start the whole 3 hour compiling process all over!

After it's over, type 'startx' rather than startkde as it says to.
 
Old 03-28-2005, 04:39 AM   #119
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Re: Konstruct Method

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Check out this webpage for a simple step-by-step guide to installing KDE 3.4 using Konstruct:
http://www.mojavelinux.com/articles/konstruct.html
I
Mmhh, doesnīt work for me. It starts compiling and the first parts work well, but when it starts to compile work/qt-x11-free-3.3.4
I get the following error:



Code:
In file included from kernel/qpngio.cpp:45:
/usr/include/png.h:341:18: zlib.h: No such file or directory
In file included from /usr/include/png.h:345,
                 from kernel/qpngio.cpp:45:
/usr/include/pngconf.h:1128: error: expected init-declarator before '*' token
/usr/include/pngconf.h:1128: error: expected `,' or `;' before '*' token
/usr/include/pngconf.h:1129: error: expected init-declarator before '*' token
/usr/include/pngconf.h:1129: error: expected `,' or `;' before '*' token
/usr/include/pngconf.h:1130: error: expected init-declarator before '*' token
/usr/include/pngconf.h:1130: error: expected `,' or `;' before '*' token
In file included from kernel/qpngio.cpp:45:
/usr/include/png.h:1062: error: `z_stream' does not name a type
kernel/qpngio.cpp: In function `void qt_zlib_compression_hack()':
kernel/qpngio.cpp:1243: error: `compress' undeclared (first use this function)
kernel/qpngio.cpp:1243: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.)
kernel/qpngio.cpp:1244: error: `uncompress' undeclared (first use this function)
make[5]: *** [.obj/release-shared-mt/qpngio.o] Fehler 1
make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/michael/konstruct/libs/qt-x11-free/work/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/src'
make[4]: *** [sub-src] Fehler 2
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/michael/konstruct/libs/qt-x11-free/work/qt-x11-free-3.3.4'
make[3]: *** [build-work/qt-x11-free-3.3.4/Makefile] Fehler 2
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/michael/konstruct/libs/qt-x11-free'
make[2]: *** [dep-../../libs/qt-x11-free] Fehler 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/michael/konstruct/libs/arts'
make[1]: *** [dep-../../libs/arts] Fehler 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/michael/konstruct/kde/kdelibs'
make: *** [dep-../../kde/kdelibs] Fehler 2
Well, zlib.h is not installed in /usr/include but in /usr/include/linux. But even if I change this it wonīt compile.

Any hints?

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Old 03-28-2005, 04:58 AM   #120
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Ok, forget it. Removing zlib and reinstalling it fixed it.
 
  


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