KDE 3.4 Mandrake available
 

I saw today that KDE 3.4 is now up in Mandrake RPM/URPMI format on Thac's site.

Just add his site to your URPMI sources and

urpmi --auto-select

to get it.

Who wants to be the guinnea pig and see how much damage this may or may not do? :)

The verion in the thac repositories (as of today) is still the 3.4 release candidate 1. I upgraded over the weekend, and so far no issues, aside from a segmentation fault error when you try to edit the menu using menudrake.....if you use kmeduedit it works fine....

Yeah I haven't had a problem with it either.

The balloons are cute at first, but then become rather tedious...

Scratching my head, I've tried in past to install kde releases packaged by Thac and never manage. First try, I dropped to terminal window and stopped dm service then tried, I get two choices, no mater what I choose, I get presented with same two choices in an endless loop. What am I doing wrong?

I installed this a couple days ago, and yeah, last i checked it was kde 3.4rc1. No issues on my end other than xine segfaults for no apperent reason. Ran xine-check and everything was A-ok, Dunno what i did there, but hey its a different issue and mplayer and VLC work fine.
Lakota, what you want to do is "urpmi --auto --auto-select". It will make the appropriate choices for you automatically.

No it's not an endless loop.

It's once per package that depends upon one of the two files...

Your best bet is to simply install ONE of those two first before urpmi'ng the rest.

This will prevent it from asking you for this.

Hey opjose, does your Home icon in the desktop disappear form time to time after the upgrade?

Most of my icons and panel icons disappeared after the upgrade.

This happened going from 3.2 to 3.3 and now again with 3.4.

I'm just used to recreating all of this and running the kdemenu/menudrake program after the update.

The 3.4 version also killed my installed Gnome themes and menus, but that was easily rectified...

Hey Guys,
could somebody give me a hint how to add the repository with urpmi? I'm unable to do that! I'm always presented with an error complaining abount an inexistent hdlist.cz file.

Greets
Merlin

Try this thread: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hreadid=269898 on how to add local rpms to your repository. Instead of creating a "local" repository however, there is a box you can check for "HTTP". Check that, then just name it "nyvalls" (Or whatever really). In the Path line put "http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/". Hit ok, and your good to go. You may want to update your repository afterwards, if it doesnt do it automatically. Then just do urpmi --auto-select.
Good luck.

Hi, I speak English not so well :(
Where I can download libmasc?

Keeper, first things first.....

go to mandrake control center....software updates.... meida configuration.... select form the right updates, and select all the repositories that you have configured, except the ones that refer to the CD's...wait for that to finish, close that windowand then try from the console (as root): urpmi --auto-select.....

The thac repository has been updated....
 

now they have the full release, for those that upgrade to Release candidate 1.

:) I use Linux three years :)
I just have not found a package on my CD (Mandrake 10.1 Download Edition)
This file is in a package mas. It on disks was not. It was necessary to compile:)
Thanks!

Goto http://www.linuxfordummies.org/addmedia/

Install a medium: contrib

You will find mas there.

Re: The thac repository has been updated....
 

Anyone want to be the guinnea pig for the FINAL release and can report back to us?

I have already found mas here - www.rpmseek.com
Thanks

NO!

You should always use the repositories!

Oh my gosh! So I decided to take the plunge and try KDE 3.4 from Thac's RPM.

I typed

urpmi --auto-select kdebase

and it proceeded to download and install KDE 3.4, HOWEVER, during the whole process, as I sat there and watched it work, I had problems connecting to my URPMI source, aca.oakland.edu, or whatever. It basically timed out. That's the URPMI source in Michigan. So, as I watched the download fail, it was unable to install certain things because it could not get files from the aca.oakland.edu mirror, but URPMI kept installing other things in KDE 3.4. All I kept seeing once in awhile was "installation failed." Now how do I know that I got a FULLY working KDE?? Can i start the whole process over? How do I do this?

damn you aca.oakland.edu mirror site!! Don't ever pick that as your URPMI source.

Ahhh crap! I just noticed that with the --auto-select feature, it seems to be upgrading my WHOLE mandrake system! It installed Gnome 2.9 and the new version of GIMP and all that. I fear some things may be broken now.... I shouldn't of have used the --auto-select

The easiest way to fix this is to add another backup source or two, then uninstall the kdebase rpm (rather drastic) or one of the related RPM's...

e.g kdenetwork, etc.

This should pull in the missing rpms.

I was not aware that you can add in multiple backup sources. I thought you were limited to one main,contrib,update, etc.. sources. Now I know, but it may be too late. I just hope my system isn't hosed. I just wanted it to install KDE 3.4, instead, I think using that --auto-select feature made me download everything on THAC's site, like I saw it downloading and installing GNOME 2.9. The whole process took over an hour to install so it must have installed everything on Thac's site. I may just have to do a complete format/reinstall of Mandrake now. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Here's another trick...

Download ALL the RPM's on Thac's site...

Or just the KDE ones...

Then change to that directory and

urpmi *.rpm

If anything is missing urpmi will also download what it needs.

Good news? I rebooted my computer and it's still using KDE 3.2.3! That must mean that the installation failed. I will start from scratch again and see what happens.

OKay! All good! I have successfully upgraded to KDe 3.4 using Thac's RPM's. Aside from losing some icons on the control panel and on the desktop, everything seems to be working fine. My kCalendar is working and all my important dates are still there. phew!

By the way, I changed my URPMI mirror source and I was able to download the dependencies the RPM's needed, which solved my problem.

I upgraded to KDE 3.4 from 3.2 using the method provided above.

I lost my two CD Icons on my desktop.

When I double click home, it rarely opens (sometimes it'll open once thereafter not opening at all, and other times it won't even open once).

Also, it is impossible for me to change my file associations. When I go about changing avi filetypes to mplayer, the file association change is immediatly discarded. I can't even change the file assocation by selecting the properties of an avi file and changing it that way.

3.2 worked flawlessly, albeit somewhat outdated. Hopefully there will be a fix soon.

Often when moving from one version of KDE to another you need to delete (MANY) of the configuration files in ~/.KDE

I upgraded from Thac's rpm, and almost everything seems to work quiet good.

Almost.........

It's the second time I try to upgrade KDE with thac's rpm (first was kde 3.3, but finally used mdk ones) and each time sound in KDE is screwed up. (playing sounds like mp3 works -> using alsa i suppose)
In fact, the problem is bigger this time, system freeze if linux tries to start "sound" service (Arts ?) at boot (it loads just after Alsa).
I had to boot in interactive mode and choose to not start "sound" service (I since disabled sound service) to be able to load linux.
In fact, first time Alsa didn't word (but didn't stop linux booting) and I needed to run some script which did the job, except that when booting, it still says that I use alsa 1.06 instead of 1.08

So, my problem is how to fix the "sound" service to let me boot and also make sound woking in KDE ?

If you need some output of any kind to be able to help me more, please let me know and also how to get it.

Thanks

I always use the repositories :)
http://rpmseek.com/rpm-dl/mas-0.6.3-...:0:1:0:1661230 - it's repositories too

how to I get my mandrake control center back? i tried to run drakeconf (i think thats it) and I got a segmentation fault... Sorry if this is a simple question, but i'm still new to linux

Anyone have the answer? i'd be very greatful if anyone could help

Those are not the "repositories".

Those are "unofficial" releases that are not part of the repositores...

Rather those are unstable "cooker" releases, which are a great way to trash your system...

Well, Thac's rpms - I think it's not repositories too, but you use them. ;)

Mmhh, somehow it doesn´t seem to work for me.

I added thacs site and when I try to install kdebase (or even with auto-select on), urpmi starts to get 100% CPU but seemingly does nothing - no harddisk-access, no download from the net, just sitting there and keeping the CPU busy. After 2 hours I stopped it with CTRL-C without problems, so the system didn´t hang.

Does anybody know what urpmi does that makes it take so long?

Case

I don't know if this will make a difference, but try the Mandrake Control Center --> software --> install and then search for kdebase. Choose Thac's kdebase-3.4 one. See if that does any better.

No, it doesn´t. In fact, it even won´t install. I have a fresh Mandrake 10.1 Official Download-Edition installed and added contrib and thacs together with some additional Repositories to urpmi and it just says some dependencies fail. So the only way to install anything is to force installation, otherwise it won´t find fontconfig, zlib and some other libraries although they are installed!!!

I really can´t way for 10.2 to come out cause 10.1 really sucks. I never had problems like this with 10.0 or 9.1.

Case

Dependencies failing? That's not good. try updating your media sources for the 'main'. I had the same problem where my depencencies failed but I had to change my mirror sources and it installed the failed dependencies.

And if it all this fails, then just stick with the default KDE 3.2.3 in Mandrake 10.1. I have upgraded to KDE 3.4 and it's nice, but it's I don't see any big differences. And if you can't do that, then go back to 10.0 or 9.1 and try installing KDE 3.4 on them until Mandrake 10.2 comes out.

I think I hosed my installation......
 

After a couple of days of trouble free work with kde 3.4 I downloaded some packages from thacs and now some things are broken....nothing major but still it causes me pain...

Here are the problems that I have:

The login window now has all the users (including the system users displayed)
When I try to login, kde just loops back and after a couple of tries it boots me to the prompt
At the prompt I can log in with no problem and start my session (startx)
I have lost menu entries like menudrake...kcontrol....etc.

Opjose can you help buddy?

I have the exact same problem. Everything installed fine but I can't log in. It keeps looping me back to the log in screen...help! I am typing this in Windows *shudder*

I've a similar issue, and i have the download edition of 10.1 as well. no matter what I do there is always some sort of dependency error. I even trued using Konstruct and i get an error with that too.

I managed to swith my display manager from MDKKDM to XDM. After that I was able to lo in direclty into kde.....somehow I think the latest update from thac's messed something up. I think the issue lies in these packages that I installed today:

http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/./kd...hac.noarch.rpm
http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/./kd....thac.i586.rpm
http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/./kd....thac.i586.rpm
http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/./kd....thac.i586.rpm
http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/./kd....thac.i586.rpm
http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/./gn....1gpw.i586.rpm
http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/./kd....thac.i586.rpm
http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/./kd....thac.i586.rpm

OPjose, any comments on this? have you experience this issues?

Here's what happened to me:

I went to Thac's site and added his repository to urpmi. Then I went to http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ and added contrib, plf, main, jpackage, and updates media. Then I opened a terminal as root and typed: urpmi --auto-select

310 packages downloaded almost 1 gig of updates. I opened my start menu and immediately saw that my Most Used Applications and All Applications lists were gone. None of my desktop icons would work. I tried to edit the start menu but that option didn't work either. I clicked it but nothing would come up.

At this point I figured I just needed to reboot. My system loaded fine until I got to ALSA 1.06. It froze there. I rebooted again and went into interactive mode and didn't load the sound packages. That brought up a login but I couldn't log in. I tried to login as myself and got bumped back to the main login page. I tried to login as root and the same thing happened. I tried to login using Gnome as my desktop but the same thing happened. I tried to login using Failsafe and again I got kicked back to the login.

Eventually, I got tired of this and reinstalled Mandrake 10.1. That fixed the problem.

Just because I'm stupid, I figured maybe there was something wrong with my old installation and having a fresh install would do the trick. Again, I used urpmi --auto-select, again I downloaded more than 300 packages, and again my system got fried and wouldn't boot.

Obviously, I'm pretty new to Linux, can someone tell me what urpmi command I should have used?

Thanks.

I did NOT use the --auto-select feature, if that makes any difference. So far my KDE 3.4 is working okay.

I never use MDKKDM as it is too crippled and not supported by KDE's own configurator.

I -ALWAYS- switch to KDM immediately after installing Mandrake...

KDM is supported by the KDE control center. In turn the KDE control center permits you to disable errant logins, etc...


As I write this I haven't updated to the packages which came out this week, as I usually let a few days go by to make sure that all of the dependant packages appear.

Thac compiles the packages as he is able and you may not have gotten the full tree for the latest updates...

I may try them this week though.


To the posters complaining about having to --force

--force is NEVER a good idea unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing.

Rather if you get an error, it will most often be, because you have a currenlty installed package that the upgrade needs to remove, but it is prevented from doing so because of too many interdependancies.

This is URPMI's mechanism for keeping you from screwing up your system.

If you are having problems with this -STOP NOW-!!!!!

Thac's site is still a "beta" of what's coming. I posted info about it because there were so many people killing their systems trying to get 3.4 and other programs up and running through brute force means.

If you cannot work around the dependancy issues DO NOT CONTINUE... you'll end up with a broken or inoperable system.

Such is the risk when playing around with "cooker" level software.


If you know what you are doing, you can selectively uninstall keystone packages knowing that they will be updated in the process... or you can go right to the ones which prevent a full install and resolve their issues.

I had to do this with 2-5 packages...

YOU DO NOT, NOR SHOULD NEVER --FORCE everything!

Another question opjose
 

Do you have any idea how to get those apps back in the menu (drakconf, etc.=? if I edit hte menu I can see...but they do not get displayed...

I did the same thing you did and my installation got hosed. Tried using Konstruct and that didn't fix it. So, I am debating on whether I want to install 10.2 RC1 or if I want to just reinstall 10.1 again.

My 3.4 install was fine a few days ago, but yesterday I used the urpmi --auto-select command and boom, there went my system. buh-bye.

I also considered going to Kubuntu since it has kde 3.4 but I'm probably gonna stick with Mandrake.

:cry:

I would suggest you to stick with it.

run drakconf and switch the display manager to kdm, instead of mdkkdm. This at least will enable you to log into kde directly after booting the system.

I just did a reinstall of mdk 10.1
I'm figuring that instead of going to 3.4 right away, I'll get Thac's 3.3.
and then, in a few days, I'll go back to 3.4 again, when things appear to be blown over. LOL.

Samantha

Definitely 3.3 is more stable than 3.4 at the moment. lets see if the guys from thacs make some updates today...

since I got back to kde by switching the display manager....I'll stick with version 3.4 for the moment....

I saw over on mandrakeusers.org people were having the same problem.

When I went back to 10.1 and KDE 3.2, I notice now that I am unable to open Kontact or Kmail because it cannot write to the $HOME directory. I didn't format my /home partition, although I suppose I could have and should have... Eh, oh well. It's all in the learning, eh? :)

Samantha