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Old 11-04-2003, 08:12 PM   #1
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IBM < Novell < SuSE <Ximian


SuSE is to be purchased by Novell.

The plot gets thicker. SuSE acquired Ximian just days ago and IBM has also just invested heavily in SuSE. IBM is also invested heavily in RedHat but apparently does not want to creat another MicroSoft hence the SuSE support. The problem for Mandrake is that RedHat is dominating Linux in enterprise and SuSE just collected all the tools needed to make a great desktop. Not sure how Sun's involvement with OpenOffice will play out but it does not leave much for Mandrake. Mandrake is now available on HP home desktops but this has been fleeting. (No Walmart computers are presently available with Mandrake). I can't see how Mandrake will survive by re-releasing the SuSE desktop
 
Old 11-19-2003, 08:46 PM   #2
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Where you getting your information? Suse did not buy Ximian. NOVELL bought Ximian in August and now is buying suse. Which won't be finallized until febuary. It is all over the news, how are you missing it? I'm sorry if I am sounding rude but it bugs me when people post bogus information.
 
Old 11-20-2003, 01:41 AM   #3
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My error on SuSE acquiring Ximian but if you look at the date of my post it was when the news of the Novell purchase offer just broke on November 4.th. You want to know how I am "missing it" but when I posted it it was not all over the news Your post on November 19th is more than 2 weeks after the fact and in the intervening time a lot of news has been generated.

And actually my point was not so much the sequence of those parts coming together but the fact that they are together under one roof. Also that a very big company is pumping large amounts of money in to see that these parts come together under the same roof.

The playing field is being divided up and the only two companies that are financially healthly are not giving much away these days. With Redhat abandoning the desktop that leaves SuSE and Mandrake Which of those two is in the best position to make the desktop you would buy for your business? Will Ximian continue to port to Mandrake or just release the source code and let you build you own Ximian desktop with all it's dependencies on Mandrake. (I thought it was hard just to get Evolution running in slackware.)

I have a soft spot for Mandrake, it was my first distro and the fact that it ran and connected to the internet started me off on linux. I bought MDK 8.1 and 8.2 and been a club member for 2 years but ask me what distro I see myself buying in two years and it is not Mandrake. The experience I have had with the later releases has not been good (9.1 had a buggy XFree86-4.3.0 for my radeon card which the XFree developers fixed 2 weeks after Mandrake 9.1 was released. Still the same version of XFree and Mandrake would not release the fix as an update. I had to wait until 9.2). I have wiped the HD clean and reinstalled Slackware within days of trying the last two MDK releases.

I used to recommend Mandrake to friends who wanted to try linux but I can't imagine a newbie trouble shooting Xwindows that locks up with a very common video card or dealing with a fried LG cdrom. In my opinion, if Mandrake survives to another release, they need to quit trying to be on the bleeding edge. They should test the stuff they release a more throughly prior to releasing it and support it better once they release it.
 
Old 11-20-2003, 02:31 AM   #4
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Before you knock Mandrake over the LG issues take into account it was an issue with the kernel itself not Mandrake. Linus even said it was a kernel issue. It just so happens that Mandrake was the first distro to encounter it. It could have been any distro that got the short straw so to speak. Hell I have noticed it is a lot of slackers that are throwing it around but what if it was slackware that encountered this first? I am sure slackers would be in denial.

They knock Mandrake every chance they get cause it is a "noob linux". Why because Mandrake looks at the user, all of them from the experienced to the noob. You can manually edit config files or have mandrake do it for you and the OS don't care. That is why I like Mandrake it is designed to be what each end of the spectrum wants. Hell I am a 50/50 type. Half the time I manually config the other half I let Mandrake. It is convience being able to take 2 seconds to click a button and have what u want done.

Slackware is a niche linux. It will never ever be a linux for the masses and that is going to make it so it never becomes the dominant variant in the market. It is the market that shows it not talking out of my ass on this. A good example of this is go into Barnes and Noble and look in the OS section for a book on learning linux, you will not find one with Slackware as the Linux chosen to teach with, maybe one.

Hmmmm why could this be? Very simple you can't just install it and have it up and running where the average computer user can start learning this lovely operating system. If windows was like that it wouldn't have become what it is today market share wise, Microsoft would have gone belly up, and Bill Gates wouldn't be the richest man in the world. I agree with the learning book publishers on doing this too. Slackware is too much for a noob all at once and they should ever start with it. Getting back on point now.

Yeah Mandrake 9.2 has some issues, but I would still recommend it to a noob. It detected all of my hardware on this system and I am sure it will on my router / firewall when I migrate it to 9.2. Video, sound, NIC card, IDE Card, all of it without a bug or incident. I did have a USB mouse issues but all I did was move the mouse to the PS2 port with the adapter and no more worries. Half ass I know but hell it works right. KISS is how I like to work and that was as simple as I could get it. I have no complaints myself major or otherwise.
 
Old 11-20-2003, 09:22 AM   #5
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I was in a really bad mood when I typed that and I should not have been so rude sorry. I tried fedora and I think it is quit good...
 
  


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