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Old 10-22-2016, 05:09 PM   #1
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When Microsoft Operating Systems will disappear from the PC market?


Hello,

The time that Microsoft was interested to make good softwares and good operating systems is over. Since long it is no longer the case. About 15 years passed and now you get an operating system that tries to steal your personal data, block your exe applications if no upgrade, must use office 365,...

Microsoft pays a lot to bring secured boot and to lock users and to make the entire PC market preventing installing Linux.

If people never used LINUX or something else than Windows, they might say that Windows 10 is great LINK

New notebooks are fully locked, there is no way to install Linux on it. You can just bare Windows 10 I can't believe that people are still buying notebooks with Windows on it.

Microsoft sales are decreasing !! Starting from Windows 8, Microsoft Operating systems, lack of privacy, locking everything,... start to be kinda bad.

If you remove freedoms to users, users won't buy Microsoft. Bill has not considered it.

Whatever ... using Windows is loosing people time and wasting money. They could help the development of Opensource applications, and make their OS what they dream of. Dreams can come true with Opensource, e.g. Linux.

Opensource is your Source Code, and running your own/opensource code will never fall into hands of evil plots (Google, Apple, MS) to take your freedom, money and privacy.

When will MS OSes fully disappear, being replaced by LINUX?

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Old 10-22-2016, 05:37 PM   #2
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Microsoft was never about producing software it was about making Bill Gates rich and it did that. Now it's flailing because there is no goal any more.
Linux won't take off on the desktop unless it becomes a horrible, uncustomisable, unsafe, horrific-looking mess because that is what most people want from a computer. Just look at mobile [cell] phones, or diamond-inlaid gold rings, to see who the vast majority want a useless piece of shiny crud rather than something truly good.
Apologies to those who like Windows, I realise it's not completely without merit, but it's a deliberately rubbish product nevertheless.
 
Old 10-22-2016, 05:45 PM   #3
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Hello,

Microsoft pays a lot to bring secured boot and to lock users and to make the entire PC market preventing installing Linux.
Pure FUD & lies. Secure boot doesn't prevent anything of the sort, multiple distro's are now capable of booting with secure boot enabled, and thus far not a single OEM hasn't included the ability to turn off secure boot that I've seen or heard of.

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New notebooks are fully locked, there is no way to install Linux on it. You can just bare Windows 10 I can't believe that people are still buying notebooks with Windows on it.
Again, nothing in the least bit accurate in this statement. The ONLY recent laptops have just as many problems re-installing Windows as installing linux. It's nothing MS did, it's what the OEM did with hardware ID's causing drivers for WINDOWS AND LINUX to not load.

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Please don't spread such worthless lies & FUD. The open source community needs to be better than that.

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Old 10-22-2016, 06:16 PM   #4
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This scared me out of buying that $59 Win10 PC at Frys.

Ah! The LQ FUDer! Love my Igor list! Edit: Igorne. Edit: IG0ne. Edit: i give up on iPad touchscreen's awful hilite copy paste.

By the way (btw might be text-speak, fyi), how many "Ratings" does it take, for "Rate Thread" stars to show up? Oh, 'too many' seems to be the answer.

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Old 10-22-2016, 07:48 PM   #5
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Microsoft was never about producing software
Indeed. http://www.dwheeler.com/innovation/microsoft.html

I do think Microsoft deserves some credit for producing an interface for DOS that made personal computers accessible to persons intimidated by the command line, but that's all the faint praise they get from me.

AFAIC, Windows is still little more than DOS in Sunday go-to-meeting clothes, with a layer of colorful icing on top.

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Old 10-22-2016, 07:57 PM   #6
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Indeed. http://www.dwheeler.com/innovation/microsoft.html

I do think Microsoft deserves some credit for producing an interface for DOS that made personal computers accessible to persons intimidated by the command line, but that's all the faint praise they get from me.
Erm... I think Xerox did that...
 
Old 10-22-2016, 08:01 PM   #7
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I think Xerox did that.
Xerox may have invented it, but they didn't know what to do with it, but you make a good point. (I guess it is an irony that Xerox got copied . . . .)

I amend my wording from "producing" to "popularizing."

And don't come talking to me about the early Apple GUI interfaces. They were a pebble in the pond. It was Windows 3.x bundled on DOS computers that made computers into a product for the mass market.

Shame Windows hasn't moved all that much beyond being DOS on steroids . . . .

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Old 10-22-2016, 08:06 PM   #8
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Xerox may have invented it, but they didn't know what to do with it, but you make a good point.

I amend my wording from "producing" to "popularizing."

And don't come talking to me about the early Apple GUI interfaces. They were a pebble in the pond.

It was Windows 3.x bundled on DOS computers that made computers into a product for the mass market.
I am aware I was just nitpicking, sorry .
 
Old 10-22-2016, 08:09 PM   #9
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I reject your apology.

You made a good point. And you further support my case that Microsoft has never innovated anything!
 
Old 10-22-2016, 08:15 PM   #10
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There's a joke at my place of work that the company invented the wheel and fire but forgot to tell anybody...
 
Old 10-22-2016, 08:18 PM   #11
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There's a joke at my place of work that the company invented the wheel and fire but forgot to tell anybody.
Thank you. I needed a laugh. Best laugh I've had in several days!
 
Old 10-22-2016, 08:29 PM   #12
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Linux won't take off on the desktop unless it becomes a horrible, uncustomisable, unsafe, horrific-looking mess because that is what most people want from a computer.
systemd is a major leap in that direction!
 
Old 10-22-2016, 08:31 PM   #13
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systemd is a major leap in that direction!
Whatever shall I do? Two big laughs in one day!
 
Old 10-22-2016, 08:32 PM   #14
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systemd is a major leap in that direction!
In what way? Do you have some facts to back this up?
 
Old 10-22-2016, 08:34 PM   #15
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In what way? Do you have some facts to back this up?
Please don't let facts interfere with my belly-laughs.

Joking aside, SystemD works (annoying though it may be). That what differentiates it from Windows. (Grin, duck, and run)

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