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Old 04-13-2006, 02:04 AM   #16
vharishankar
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What's the worst that can happen if the rep system doesn't turn out to be ideal? Big deal. Remove it... It's not as though you need hours of work to set it up. It's just a feature built into vBulletin which can be turned off with the click of a button unless I'm mistaken.

Sheeesh.. one would think I'd asked somebody to commit a crime around here or something.

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Old 04-13-2006, 02:30 AM   #17
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What's the worst that can happen if the rep system doesn't turn out to be ideal? Big deal. Remove it... blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...
There's a lot more to it than that. How do you turn off someone's memory? I've seen reputation systems cause more harm than anything else.
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Sheeesh.. one would think I'd asked somebody to commit a crime around here or something.
Your use of the word "sheesh" is a crime in itself.
 
Old 04-13-2006, 02:49 AM   #18
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Your use of the word "sheesh" is a crime in itself.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/s/s0330750.html

What's the crime?

And dude, quote me in full or don't quote me at all. It's insulting if you quote that way. Leave this thread alone if you don't like the idea. You've made your point quite clearly.

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Old 04-13-2006, 04:07 AM   #19
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What's the crime?
Errr.... You were supposed to laugh at that comment.
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And dude, quote me in full or don't quote me at all. It's insulting if you quote that way.
Lighten up sunshine. Life's too short!
 
Old 04-13-2006, 07:04 AM   #20
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If it was a light-hearted remark, please do use smilies. I am sorry but I couldn't know whether you were insulting me or simply having a bit of fun.

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Lighten up sunshine. Life's too short!
That was a cheap shot below the belt... (j/k)
 
Old 04-13-2006, 07:52 AM   #21
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If it was a light-hearted remark, please do use smilies.
I will.
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I am sorry but I couldn't know whether you were insulting me or simply having a bit of fun.
I try to not insult people. I find that I make more friends that way.
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That was a cheap shot below the belt... (j/k)
 
Old 04-13-2006, 09:08 AM   #22
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Guys, please try to keep the thread on topic. A few comments on the actual thread topic. I'd like to think that here at LQ we are *extremely* receptive to feedback. More so than most places I've seen. I'm not sure why you get the idea that 99% of ideas are shot down, but if that's the perception we have a problem. I'm not going to comment on the rep system yet, as I am still wanting members to give their feedback in this forum. But, let me tell you why it's not as easy as "just turn it on and see how it goes". First, for every option you turn on you need to make all (or at least most) members aware of it. They need some kind of education on how it works and it needs to be implemented in a way that fits with the LQ community (which most of the time is not how it's implemented in the stock software). So no matter how minor a change seems, you might be surprised to learn what went on in the backend. Aside from that, we of course only implement feature we think will work. If we simply turned features on and off to test all the time, the UI and consistency of the site would be a nightmare. So, keep the feedback on the topic coming, but understand that while we can't possibly implement every suggest we absolutely listen to all of them.

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Old 04-13-2006, 09:21 AM   #23
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Please Clarify

Hi all,

I am not sure if a rep system would work or not. I think the biggest problem with it would be moderating it.

In my experience a rep system only works if it is constantly moderated and policed. Even then there are ways around it.

It ends up being a popularity contest and only the existing members stand a chance and new people are shot down.

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Old 04-13-2006, 09:53 AM   #24
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Jeremy, first I must say that that's not the impression I get. I know you consider most ideas, but the impression is that many people are so much against new ideas here. I know you're not, but I think a majority here would just like things to stay the way they are forever. Maybe you'd still be on vBulletin 1.0 if the majority here had their say.

I personally am very happy you upgraded the forum and added a lot of useful features recently. I appreciate that, but somehow many members seem so dissatisfied with new features and want things to stay the same they were years ago.

I'm glad that you at least consider this idea and am thankful for that... As for preventing abuse of this system, there are a dozen ways to do this. I think reps can be time-limited, meaning that a single member cannot give or take more than a certain number of points in a certain period of time. That will be one step.

For LQ in particular, I think that members can award each other "virtual cash" or similar and if a member is particularly good at answering questions, he may earn a lot of cash over a period of time. Note that it's not only the OP who can award cash, but almost anybody. Maybe some of this "cash" can be used for giving awards or redeeming prizes from time to time. Maybe something like "The best member wins a DVD set of distro X" or something. Or maybe a book or something. This can be done at least twice a year...

All this is, of course, an advanced implementation of what I suggest. But I certainly do think that an "awards" system would be a nice incentive to get people to contribute, particularly if you highlight the awards as being prizes like books or Linux CDs.

And of course, the system won't be wholly automated. The top 10 or 15 candidates with the highest points are nominated and then the panel of judges (the moderators, say) decide who wins, based on their recent activity (how useful they were in solving difficult problems and so on).

Does this sound too unrealistic? Well, anyway, a successful rep system can develop into something like this...

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Old 04-14-2006, 02:37 AM   #25
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I think that part of the "99% shot down" perception is that people post variations on a theme. remember the recurring avatar threads? I'm not saying you're guilty of this hari, but I think that whenever a new suggestion is brought up, people's reaction is to say "NO!"

The way I see the rating system is:
there is a chance that people's feelings will be hurt.
will it really be used to benefit the forum? If it is just fun, then it doens't help flag threads/answers. the thread rating system does this.

Sorry to be blunt, but really, I feel that the LQ community is one of help- where there is a specific area to goof off in, (General) otherwise it's business as usual.

I know you don't want to debate it, but please remember it's not personal- it is the idea we are debating.
If it came to a vote, and I know it's not going to, but if it did, I would vote no.

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Old 04-14-2006, 03:23 AM   #26
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I think there is no need for a reps system, perhaps I'm just a simpleton but as long as I can read posts to a thread and reply I'm happy. How many people actually use the new features implemented so far? I for one don't use all that friend-of-friend stuff, them social bookmarks. I can't ever remember using the thread rater, and haven't felt the need yet to use that tags thing. Goodness knows all the other features that I haven't even seen. Perhaps I'm just a bad LQ'er. One thing I do do, however is keep an eye on LXer

Perhaps some analysis could be done on some of the existing features to see how well they are used. Whilst I'm aware that different features will vary in popularity the results could be used as a guideline to how popular any new features might be.
 
Old 04-14-2006, 06:12 AM   #27
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Yeah, I'm not saying I'm against anybody who opposes my idea. But it just seems negative when everybody keeps negating an idea without giving it a thought or appearing to have given it a thought.

Maybe a reputation system might not work here, maybe it will. But I always believe in throwing up new ideas and not back off from them.

And yes, sometimes I too am a bit blunt in my posts...

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I think that part of the "99% shot down" perception is that people post variations on a theme. remember the recurring avatar threads? I'm not saying you're guilty of this hari, but I think that whenever a new suggestion is brought up, people's reaction is to say "NO!"
That's a very valid observation. However, I think that sometimes people have the same kind of suggestions with a totally different motivation and every time the motivation or the spirit behind the idea needs to be considered as well. But sometimes it's difficult to find out why a particular idea may or may not work, even when it seems a good/bad idea.

But I will propose ideas as I feel and not be worried about "popular" reaction. I know a lot of my ideas might not be accepted or even be ridiculed, but that's not something I propose to let me worry about too much. Always looking for the way ahead.
 
  


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