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Old 11-07-2020, 07:34 AM   #1
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The definition of spam


I assume most people here are familiar with the origins of the term spam - a Monty Python sketch where it was pushed with every item on the menu.

Quite a clear similarity to the attached crop from View Latest Posts, which highlights a relentless spammer - for whatever reason they weren't banned last month when they posted over a dozen responses spamming what appears to be their personal distro, and whilst many of their posts were manually edited, a few links were left behind to support their efforts. Now they are back spamming their distro even more.

Assuming this forum can filter/replace URLs, perhaps a board-wide block on their domain would reduce the benefit of their spamming without giving extra work to moderators?

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Old 11-07-2020, 10:07 AM   #2
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Yes, he's being very annoying. There is zero chance I would even look at his personal distro now, even if there ever was any.
 
Old 11-07-2020, 10:08 AM   #3
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I know who you mean, a lot of inappropriate posts, that don't help the original poster........& to be honest, an ugly distro to boot!

EDIT: I have decided to report this user as a spammer - we shall see what Jeremy thinks.

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Old 11-07-2020, 10:29 AM   #4
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I've reported them a few times, but afaik those reports go to moderators, rather than Jeremy, and I'm not sure if moderators have the ability to ban users and apply global filters, or if they are limited to editing posts in the sections they moderate?

Last time round the spammer was making genuine responses too - and perhaps could have been mistaken for simply being over-enthusiastic - this time they are unambiguously and disruptively shoehorning their links into unrelated threads across multiple forums.

 
Old 11-07-2020, 12:13 PM   #5
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I reported that poster several times today. I think that's all what we can do. The mods can decide.
 
Old 11-07-2020, 02:04 PM   #6
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Well that's kinda what I'm wondering - is reporting every message of a spammer helpful or unnecessary?

Should we post when reporting spam so that mods don't get multiple reports, or does that help them identify worse spam quicker? (I tend to only post when I think something might be mistaken for a genuine post, in order to help others not waste time.)

The user in question is now marked as "Banned forever - Spammer" and their older posts appear to have been removed, but the ones they made today (including links) seem to be intact. Maybe that indicates a mod can only delete posts one at a time, and someone has been interrupted part way through doing so? Or there's a bulk delete process but it failed part way?

 
Old 11-07-2020, 02:18 PM   #7
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I reported that poster several times today. I think that's all what we can do. The mods can decide.
#Metoo
 
Old 11-08-2020, 04:32 AM   #8
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Reported another totally inappropriate post again today....
 
Old 11-08-2020, 06:51 AM   #9
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The user linux_party is now banned, but many links still remain. I wonder if removing them requires manual intervention for each post, or simply all this user's posts can be deleted?

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I assume most people here are familiar with the origins of the term spam - a Monty Python sketch where it was pushed with every item on the menu.
It should say
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Lobster Thermidor aux crevettes with Mornay sauce garnished with truffle paté and spam


Sometimes I wonder if Monty Python presaged the WWW?
 
Old 11-08-2020, 05:12 PM   #10
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Per your request boughtonp, this is all my take, other mods may see things differently:
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Well that's kinda what I'm wondering - is reporting every message of a spammer helpful or unnecessary?
I'm fine if people report spam posts or posts containing quoted spam links which remain.
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Should we post when reporting spam so that mods don't get multiple reports, or does that help them identify worse spam quicker? (I tend to only post when I think something might be mistaken for a genuine post, in order to help others not waste time.)
Styles vary, but your point makes sense to me.

Many times if it is solely a post saying 'spam reported', I'll delete that post as well.

It varies because some people continue with more information, so I'd tend to not remove that type of post.

At the very least if they quoted the link, that should be removed. The link need not be quoted, there's already a copy in the report. Mods are human and may not notice someone quoting a spam link. I personally don't go looking for that. I'm also of the mindset that I wouldn't quote it, and I don't expect our regular members to do any differently, because to me it is counterproductive, you're joining the spammer. But ... people do it sometimes.

Sometimes members persist with posting extended discussion about the spammer. At times when I've asked people to stay on topic, they persist with off-topic as if they have taken my request personally.

Therefore my viewpoint is now that if people wish to invest their time with a lengthy discussion, then it is their own choice and time invested. Unless there's a clear rules violation they're free to post. While I am cognizant that the thread may be derailed and not helpful to the OP, if the OP doesn't complain, then my current mindset is to leave it alone.
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The user in question is now marked as "Banned forever - Spammer" and their older posts appear to have been removed, but the ones they made today (including links) seem to be intact. Maybe that indicates a mod can only delete posts one at a time, and someone has been interrupted part way through doing so? Or there's a bulk delete process but it failed part way?
Mods can only delete posts from a forum they moderate.

As you can also do, we can search for all their posts. From that result, we also can select multiple posts in forums we moderate, and delete while reporting them to a spam service all at once, this allows for cases where they may have used multiple IP addresses, and the spam service receives all the IP addresses. I don't know what anti-spam service is used.

This user posted their favorite link a few times, a few weeks ago.

In some situations, it was a distro question thread, so even though it's a bad distribution, it's not necessarily spam, maybe just an enthusiastic person. You also were able to download that distro for free. It was both possible that they were a spammer, and also that they were just a unique type of personality who had to tout their favorite distribution.

Since they did it in some threads where it didn't make sense but also made other posts, one link was removed and they were warned, as well as warned not to recommend the rm -rf joke/advice in a thread. They did not repeat posting links after that time, until yesterday.

At which point, they exploded with spam posts.

They are now banned and many of their posts have been deleted. If some remain, feel free to report.

Please bear in mind that mods, and users, are not necessarily on this forum 100% of the time, or even every day.

By the way on the bad rm advice no one reported that. I would urge people to report something like that. I just happened to notice it. But come on, we all know that is destructive advice.
 
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Old 11-08-2020, 05:23 PM   #11
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I agree with not quoting spam posts. That makes no sense at all to me. If I report a post, I just leave it alone afterwards. It's not my job to do anything more than report, then let the mods that be do what they think is best. I don't recall seeing a rm -rf recommendation, I don't read every post in every thread, but yes, that's bad advice even as a joke. IMO overmoderation is as bad, if not worse than, no moderation, and I wouldn't want to see it get really strict here. ISTM that this forum has about as reasonable moderation as any I read. I would not like to see a big change.
 
Old 11-09-2020, 01:07 AM   #12
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Thank you, rtmistler, for taking the time to elaborate on forum moderation. We'd need more of that.

Just one comment from me:
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It was both possible that they were a spammer, and also that they were just a unique type of personality who had to tout their favorite distribution.
I'd rather say a person can be a spammer for various reasons. There doesn't always have to be a commercial incentive.
In fact, i think the non-commercial spammer is pretty common. Some people seem to think it's just how things are on the web - that any sort of information doesn't count until it's posted multiple times.
 
Old 11-09-2020, 06:01 AM   #13
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Thank you, that all makes sense.


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I'd rather say a person can be a spammer for various reasons. There doesn't always have to be a commercial incentive.
I agree - in this instance the disruption was a bigger issue than the potential for scamming money - they could have been promoting butterflies and bunnies in every thread and it still would have been spam.

 
  


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