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kevmcool 04-18-2010 08:22 AM

Moderators, Senior Members, Gurus...............learn some manners!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Most weeks I scroll through the newbie section and enjoy reading a question header
and second guessing what the answer to a problem might be
Put a few threads in myself and got some great answers but hey
Moderators, Senior Members, Gurus
Some of them are so bloody rude
Hey if you can't be polite GO DO SOMETHING ELSE
I mean good manners cost nothing eh

pixellany 04-18-2010 08:29 AM

kev*;
This little rant adds no value......If you see a problem in a post by any member, then please report it.

Moving this to Suggestions and Feedback

XavierP 04-18-2010 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevmcool (Post 3939264)
Moderators, Senior Members, Gurus
Some of them are so bloody rude
Hey if you can't be polite GO DO SOMETHING ELSE

Bearing in mind that mods are expected to be around, what else are we to do?

If you can quote specifics.... Don't forget that a good few members have been around for a while, maybe you just haven't got a feel for how things work?

johnsfine 04-18-2010 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevmcool (Post 3939264)
Moderators, Senior Members, Gurus
Some of them are so bloody rude
Hey if you can't be polite GO DO SOMETHING ELSE
I mean good manners cost nothing eh

Sorry, sometimes good manners cost the whole point of the reply.

Sometimes the entire original question was based on misconceptions.

I usually don't know a polite way to tell the OP to throw out what he thinks he knows so he can figure out what his real question ought to be and actually get some help. It is an inherently negative message and an inherently insulting message.

I try to avoid injecting needless extra insults into such a message. But to phrase that negative message in a way that no one would take as rude generally means phrasing it so it won't be understood.

On the flip side, when I ask a question and get a really lame answer, I try a lot harder to keep anything that even looks like rudeness out of my reply (no matter how much I want to complain), because I've been posting in forums long enough to know there is no percentage in that. The person who gave the lame reply isn't going to suddenly give me a good reply because I show how upset I am at the lame reply. Meanwhile anyone who might give a good reply is more likely to do so if I keep my answer to the lame reply painfully polite.

pixellany 04-18-2010 09:15 AM

If phrased correctly, telling someone that they are completely on the wrong track is not rude and is totally acceptable.

Consider two ways of saying something:

1. "It appears to me that you have some fundamental misunderstandings of how the frammus modulator works. Here is a link that you might want to read."

2. "You idiot!! If you had read the manual on the frammus modulator, you would not have asked such a silly question."

There's no insult in #1---it is simply your direct and honest assessment of the situation.


(No, I do not know what a frammus modulator is.....;) )

LouRobytes 04-18-2010 09:20 AM

Have not been around all that long but I read, at least quickly, all new posts and it has been my observation that the vast majority of all senior members exercise extreme patience when dealing with blatant and repeated breaches of forum etiquette. Whenever I observe rudeness, sarcasm, etc., it is doled out with restraint considering the behavior of offending member.

My $0.02.

Lou

johnsfine 04-18-2010 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pixellany (Post 3939327)
"It appears to me that you have some fundamental misunderstandings of how the frammus modulator works. Here is a link that you might want to read."

Often it's not that simple.

Quote:

"You idiot!!
That's the "needless extra insult" that I claimed above (I hope accurately) to keep out of my replies.

Quote:

If you had read the manual on the frammus modulator, you would not have asked such a silly question."
Sometimes that's just the answer to the OP's question and it is hard to come up with a different answer that coveys anything useful. (OK, I'm exaggerating a little bit about exactly that answer. But it isn't too far off.)

pixellany 04-18-2010 09:32 AM

I don't want to try and completely sort the fly specks from the pepper, but---I would argue that is is always possible to say what is needed without insulting someone. EASY??---perhaps not, but always POSSIBLE.

H_TeXMeX_H 04-18-2010 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevmcool (Post 3939264)
Most weeks I scroll through the newbie section and enjoy reading a question header
and second guessing what the answer to a problem might be
Put a few threads in myself and got some great answers but hey
Moderators, Senior Members, Gurus
Some of them are so bloody rude
Hey if you can't be polite GO DO SOMETHING ELSE
I mean good manners cost nothing eh

I don't believe you. See:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...y-more-800565/

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevmcool (Post 3929742)
title: hey butt plug

If you look at my profile it tells you my distro....i hate rude people

your OP:
Quote:

Originally Posted by kevmcool (Post 3927343)
i am a great user of the setup command from a console
what a tool
are there any other low res graphical commands to use
maybe setroubleshoot
or selinux management tool

your answer:

Quote:

Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 3928460)
Why ask us? What did you install? Suse has yast, red hat clones have system-config-<something> scripts, editors like vim and nano remain chief tools

Who is the one that needs to learn some manners ? You should have been reported for this type of behavior, insulting members here for no reason.

The answer seems reasonable, and at least it is written in complete sentences unlike every post you've ever made.

cola 04-18-2010 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevmcool (Post 3939264)
Most weeks I scroll through the newbie section and enjoy reading a question header
and second guessing what the answer to a problem might be
Put a few threads in myself and got some great answers but hey
Moderators, Senior Members, Gurus
Some of them are so bloody rude
Hey if you can't be polite GO DO SOMETHING ELSE
I mean good manners cost nothing eh

There is a button "Report" for every post.
If there is any problem with any post,you can report.

Everybody should learn manner

DragonSlayer48DX 04-18-2010 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevmcool (Post 3939264)
Hey if you can't be polite GO DO SOMETHING ELSE

Perhaps you should start your own website. Then you can decide how you treat others, and how they are or are not 'allowed' to respond to your unwarranted attacks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pixellany (Post 3939352)
I would argue that is is always possible to say what is needed without insulting someone. EASY??---perhaps not, but always POSSIBLE.

But then again, some people just bloody deserve it. :D

Cheers

brucehinrichs 04-18-2010 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 3939377)
I don't believe you. See:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...y-more-800565/



your OP:


your answer:



Who is the one that needs to learn some manners ? You should have been reported for this type of behavior, insulting members here for no reason.

The answer seems reasonable, and at least it is written in complete sentences unlike every post you've ever made.

Agreed, and I said as much in the original thread. If you think business_kid's reply was rude I think you have some growing up to do before you enter the big, bad world. ;)

kevmcool 04-21-2010 02:35 PM

Thats quite a little posse
you dont take criticism to well guys
if someone is rude to me i usually bite back
just looking for some manners
be interesting to see the response i get to my next post

johnsfine 04-21-2010 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevmcool (Post 3943058)
if someone is rude to me i usually bite back
just looking for some manners
be interesting to see the response i get to my next post

First you ought to think a little more about your objective for your next post.

Do you want to win a fight? Or do you want to get a Linux question answered? Or do you want to impress people? Or what?

If you want to get a question answered, you should avoid biting back to whoever might be rude to you. Matching the rudeness of whoever has been rudest in a thread is a poor strategy.

If an expert (or someone who thinks they are) thinks your question was unclear or otherwise flawed enough that they think criticism of the question is more appropriate than the reply you wanted, you should start by considering whether they are right. If criticism of the question makes you write a better question, they have helped you get a better answer. If they're wrong, there just isn't anything useful you can do about it. Sorry. That's one of the unfortunate aspects of forums. Someone polluted your thread with a bad reply. Nothing you add can make that better, only worse. You can bite back and turn the thread into a fight between you and them, or you can ignore it and hope someone more constructive replies.

If you're more interested in winning the fight, none of my advice here is of any use to you and you will be the moderators' problem, not mine.

MTK358 04-21-2010 03:43 PM

So kevmcool called a member a "butt plug" for asking what distro he uses?

Actually, the Distribution thing beneath someone's user name is often innacurate, because you could have switched distros and forgot about it, or maybe you're just playing around with another distro.


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