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Old 07-14-2005, 05:30 AM   #16
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I agree with Harishankar. If we just link it to an external page we will not force anyone to install anything. So writing on LQ from work or something will not differ anything. I for one am on Harishankar's side.
 
Old 07-14-2005, 08:30 AM   #17
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Originally posted by Harishankar
A few questions
  1. Is spellcheck really that important to justify having your own spellcheck server?
  2. Is it considered bad netiquette to pick on members merely because of their bad spelling? (think of all those non-native English users who use this site).
  3. Does the current spellcheck really have that much of an impact to cut down all those errors?
My answers are: no, yes and no respectively. Therefore I felt it was wasteful having spellcheck built right into LQ when there are so many sites that are dedicated to it and furthermore can be easily linked from here.

Spellcheck is not a required feature. It's an optional one and I don't see where LQ is forcing users to use third party software... after all people can check spelling using a local desktop software as much as they can use a third party site.
Spellcheck server? I don't see it taking much resources or space to have a spellchecker.
It is bad netiquette to misspell but we judge those we think do speak proper English but fail to do so due to laziness. These forums are in English and we expect everyone to post in English. I don't think we've ever hassled a non-native speaking member only unless they posted in non-English.
I think the current spellcheck serves as a means of no one has an excuse to continue to misspell horribly and they have no other excuses of not having to install it if it's built into LQ.org.

The members I mainly go after are the one's who do phrases like this: "how du u spell whn ther is no spllchkr? I dont find nething wronng wit the way i spell? du u hav a prblm with the way i spll?

I won't mention names but there was an incident where a member spoke and spelled perfect english in their posts. Then one day I think they got a sudden case of laziness and started to type and post everything like what I just typed above, abbreviated everthing, etc. It was horrible and after about 100 or so posts and complaints coming in, we took action or told that member they would lose privileges to post if they continued to post in a such manners.

I just like the convenience of having a spellchecker builtin without any type of 3rd party tools. Members do use it, probably more often than having a "star" system or "close thread" feature anyday, so I feel it's more justified than the more recent feature requests..
 
Old 07-14-2005, 08:55 AM   #18
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Quote:
Originally posted by trickykid
Spellcheck server? I don't see it taking much resources or space to have a spellchecker.
It is bad netiquette to misspell but we judge those we think do speak proper English but fail to do so due to laziness. These forums are in English and we expect everyone to post in English. I don't think we've ever hassled a non-native speaking member only unless they posted in non-English.
I think the current spellcheck serves as a means of no one has an excuse to continue to misspell horribly and they have no other excuses of not having to install it if it's built into LQ.org.

The members I mainly go after are the one's who do phrases like this: "how du u spell whn ther is no spllchkr? I dont find nething wronng wit the way i spell? du u hav a prblm with the way i spll?

I won't mention names but there was an incident where a member spoke and spelled perfect english in their posts. Then one day I think they got a sudden case of laziness and started to type and post everything like what I just typed above, abbreviated everthing, etc. It was horrible and after about 100 or so posts and complaints coming in, we took action or told that member they would lose privileges to post if they continued to post in a such manners.

I just like the convenience of having a spellchecker builtin without any type of 3rd party tools. Members do use it, probably more often than having a "star" system or "close thread" feature anyday, so I feel it's more justified than the more recent feature requests..
Ok, I see both sites, although I really doubt whether the spellchecker will cure those who type like this:
Quote:
hello how r u i m fine y is lnx so diff to use i m got err msg what do i do to solve prb thx
Certainly LQ will not be forcing people to install spell-checkers by removing the feature. But my point was that since there are so many sites that are dedicated to spellchecking/grammar/dictionary and so on, why do we need one residing on the LQ server?

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Old 07-14-2005, 09:01 AM   #19
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Harishankar
Ok, I see both sites, although I really doubt whether the spellchecker will cure those who type like this:
[quote]hello how r u i m fine y is lnx so diff to use i m got err msg what do i do to solve prb thx
My point in those that do this is they have no excuse if a moderator tells them to go install some third party application or plugin. For those that choose to be lazy and type like that for whatever reason, having a builtin spell checker gives no one any excuse to type in such ways..
 
Old 07-14-2005, 09:43 AM   #20
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Originally posted by trickykid
Then one day I think they got a sudden case of laziness ...
Or maybe got drunk? :P

Anyway, I see your point. I am not sure if people actually use the spellchecker so much (does someone know about this?), but I can see how it serves a symbolic purpose, making sure there are no way to justify bad spelling.

But, if we go back to the start of this thread we can at least add some technical words like names of distros, known apps and such. Then at least we non-english speakers who actually uses the spellchecker sometimes would not have to manually sort the "unknown words" and "misspelled words".

Regards.

Last edited by Ephracis; 07-14-2005 at 09:47 AM.
 
Old 07-15-2005, 03:37 PM   #21
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Just change the spell-checker to recogniz Linux related stuff (distros, window managers, etc.) to not be marked as wrong.
 
Old 07-15-2005, 09:54 PM   #22
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Originally posted by ctkroeker
Just change the spell-checker to recogniz Linux related stuff (distros, window managers, etc.) to not be marked as wrong.
Also change it to recognize 'recogniz' as wrong.

Sorry, couldn't resist it. I know, bad form.
 
Old 07-16-2005, 07:00 AM   #23
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From another thread:
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wiring people's keyboards to the mains
In the US this would be
Quote:
plugging people's keyboards into the wall
The contrast points out the desirability of including a usage/slang recognition feature, although I doubt that that is technically easy.
 
Old 07-16-2005, 09:14 AM   #24
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Also change it to recognize 'recogniz' as wrong.
Once you've done that just "s/z/s/" to get recognise

This seems to be pointing out several reasons where having client side spell checking would be a bonus. Either that or having items added to the server side dictionary after something like 15 different members have suggested a word for inclusion.
 
Old 07-16-2005, 04:13 PM   #25
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I personally use the spell checker all the time. I would prefer to keep it.
I think it's a convenience issue and agree with the others that are opposed
to users having to install some third party software.

Also, could you imagine the atrocious spelling we would start seeing if users
stopped using the spell checker.

NOTE: For example, this post I had one spelling error. I would not have
even checked if it wasn't right next to the submit button(well, actually I would
have, but most probably wouldn't).

Zack
 
Old 07-16-2005, 07:05 PM   #26
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Quote:
Originally posted by Matir
Also change it to recognize 'recogniz' as wrong.

Sorry, couldn't resist it. I know, bad form.
I have a really bad keyboard (seriously) and have been to lazy to replace it.
You have to literally hit the keys.
 
Old 07-17-2005, 07:19 AM   #27
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Wouldn't it be nice if it were technically feasible to add grammar checking & homonym alerting. Even better if it could be automatic, say part of the "submit" process. Case in point:
Quote:
Originally posted by ctkroeker
I have a really bad keyboard (seriously) and have been to lazy to replace it.
You have to literally hit the keys.
Now I am sure the 2nd 'o' was omitted from the 1st 'to' because of the bad keyboard he refers to, but wouldn't it be nice if someone who is conscientious about writing good English had this additional help.
 
Old 07-17-2005, 01:21 PM   #28
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I only took 1st grade and kindergarten in school, the rest all being German and Spanish, so don't take it the wrong way .
 
Old 07-17-2005, 01:53 PM   #29
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Originally posted by ctkroeker
I only took 1st grade and kindergarten in school, the rest all being German and Spanish, so don't take it the wrong way .
IIRC we in Sweden are pretty good in speaking/writing/reading English. Or maybe you guys know the truth and are laughing at our grammar? :P

I am sure I made at least 4 mistakes just in this post. Damn it, this thread made me unsure.

Anyway, please add some more words to the spellcheck-list, if that isn't too hard.
 
Old 07-17-2005, 07:06 PM   #30
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Please don't take it away
Please add it to other parts of the site (like bookmarks body, wiki etc)
Please add linux specific words
Please don't take away internationalisms

how much server load does the spellcheck use?
how hard is it to add words to the dictionary?

again, please keep it- third party means anything "else" - even linux gpl'd stuff. LQ centric please.

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