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Old 01-02-2011, 08:02 AM   #991
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Hi,

I'll throw this out to LQ members: When was the last time you read/reread the LQ Rules?

I think 'neg' rep should be for any violation of the LQ rules. The weight of the rep would depend on the violation along with how the violator committed the violation. If flagrant then the weight would be greater than a miss step or unintentional violation(s).

This too would depend on past experience with the violator. If that violator does make attempt(s) to change their ways then of course the rep would be given with that thought in mind.

All members do not post the same. People who tend to post in varied fonts, colors or even content style would/could be rep or even corrected to indicate their errant ways. But not always. Individual posts would be addressed when necessary.

You need to remember we have members who must post with styles that can be read by themselves & members. Visual disabilities require certain fonts & color for clarity.

Being a World forum requires that we as members must keep the language barrier in mind at all times. Some members do not intentionally post with a tone that would seem harsh to a native speaker. Textual presentations always present a barrier that will shield us from the true intent or tone of a post by a member who posts in a second language.

I for one violate grammar rules all the time. If the posts requires grammar checking then I will use tools or simply re-read the posts. At times I will reread my post and decide to cancel or rewrite the post completely. This has prevented the quick trigger response mode!

Member maturity seems to have changed posts within forums. Hopefully this will allow members to interact without too much fury in the future. So;
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Old 01-02-2011, 08:18 AM   #992
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For instance, if the ratee changes his/her ways
I don't think that's a reason to remove bad rep from bad posts.

If the member improves, he will get plenty of good rep to make up for it.
 
Old 01-02-2011, 10:05 AM   #993
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Agreed, MTK358. If a user gets reputation, it's because he/she deserved it. It doesn't just happen for no reason.

I would say the best thing to do is make reputation (just like infractions) to expire after a certain period of time, so that if someone turns their situation around and posts good things their old bad rep will expire and leave the good rep alone.
 
Old 01-02-2011, 10:05 AM   #994
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Agreed, MTK358. If a user gets reputation, it's because he/she deserved it. It doesn't just happen for no reason.

I would say the best thing to do is make negative reputation (just like infractions) expire after a certain period of time, so that if someone turns their situation around and posts good things their old bad rep will expire and leave the good rep alone.

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Old 01-02-2011, 10:47 AM   #995
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Originally Posted by onebuck
I think 'neg' rep should be for any violation of the LQ rules. The weight of the rep would depend on the violation along with how the violator committed the violation. If flagrant then the weight would be greater than a miss step or unintentional violation(s).
I'm going to disagree on this. Most of the rules are fairly benign and I would think that only repeat violations of the same rule would warrant a down-rep, and even then only after warning. For the more serious rules (I'm thinking the personal attacks, spam and cracking/warez rules), then down-rep probably isn't a severe enough punishment, and probably not appropriate either since repeat or egregious violators get banned, in which case a down-rep isn't going to do anything since the person is no longer here.

To be honest, I'm fine with down-rep being disabled. I know I was having a hard time figuring out when it was appropriate, and the one time I did use it, it was a pretty futile gesture. But I think the current system of how the mods handle rules violations is fine and doesn't need down-rep to reinforce it.
 
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Old 01-02-2011, 11:11 AM   #996
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I'm going to disagree on this. Most of the rules are fairly benign and I would think that only repeat violations of the same rule would warrant a down-rep, and even then only after warning. For the more serious rules (I'm thinking the personal attacks, spam and cracking/warez rules), then down-rep probably isn't a severe enough punishment, and probably not appropriate either since repeat or egregious violators get banned, in which case a down-rep isn't going to do anything since the person is no longer here.

To be honest, I'm fine with down-rep being disabled. I know I was having a hard time figuring out when it was appropriate, and the one time I did use it, it was a pretty futile gesture. But I think the current system of how the mods handle rules violations is fine and doesn't need down-rep to reinforce it.
Did you see the post above this quoted one?
 
Old 01-02-2011, 01:43 PM   #997
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Did you see the post above this quoted one?
Why yes I did. Any particular reason why you're asking?
 
Old 01-02-2011, 01:57 PM   #998
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Just wanted to see if you actually knew that my opinion about negative reputation expiring after a period of time existed, because it seemed as though you skipped right over my post.
 
Old 01-02-2011, 04:16 PM   #999
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Hi,
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Just wanted to see if you actually knew that my opinion about negative reputation expiring after a period of time existed, because it seemed as though you skipped right over my post.
Skipped over your post?

Hangdog42 was responding to my post directly. Not everyone will respond to your posts Kenny.

Sorry, if that nicks your ego a bit but things happen.

@Hangdog42

Glad to see things are getting back to normal again.

Happy New year to you!
 
Old 01-02-2011, 04:55 PM   #1000
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Just wanted to see if you actually knew that my opinion about negative reputation expiring after a period of time existed, because it seemed as though you skipped right over my post.
I guess I didn't comment on it because I have a problem with negative rep in general. From what I've seen (which admittedly is an incomplete picture), people are either getting offended by getting negative rep in the first place (and I don't think having it expire would change that) or they don't give a rat's pitooty about getting negative rep, in which case having it expire doesn't help either.

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@Hangdog42

Glad to see things are getting back to normal again.
Yeah, the universe did seem a bit out of alignment for a bit there, didn't it.

Happy New Year to you too!
 
Old 01-02-2011, 05:01 PM   #1001
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That is not a good criterion. Someone may make a technically good but incorrect guess about the issue at hand and another person can mark that as not helpful. That happened to me and I don't much like it. I am tempted to put that person on my ignore list but the way the issue is presented I realize that they may not have intended to do any harm.

It seems to me that the helpfulness should not include a negative response. There should be a button labeled "This reply was helpful" and there should not be any negative input available.
 
Old 01-03-2011, 12:39 AM   #1002
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Well, I think that bad rep is a bad thing. There have been times when I've been marked down because the OP didn't post enough information about their problem and my solution didn't work, but eventually we got to the right solution. And there are sometimes when other users don't agree with my solution, even though it works. So they mark me down for it. I think that adding good rep doesn't really do much either. Back when I first started posting here, I looked at how many posts the user who replied to my problems had and based that number off of how much they probably knew about Linux. (I think my first was solved by H_Tex_Mex and he had 3,000 something at the time so I shut up and listened to the master). So good job on disabling the bad rep.

Personally, I think that when a thread has been solved, the OP should have another step to complete and that is pick the post that solved the problem, and have it displayed at the top and more prevalent than other posts. That way people don't have to go through possibly 50 different "solutions" to solve their problem and can go straight to the one that fixed it. If the post was solved by the OP, they should post their findings themselves and mark that post as the solution or opt out of choosing the "Solution Post" all together. That's just my .
 
Old 01-03-2011, 12:52 AM   #1003
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It seems to me that the helpfulness should not include a negative response. There should be a button labeled "This reply was helpful" and there should not be any negative input available.
I strongly agree, that "No" button should not be there at all.
 
Old 01-03-2011, 02:02 AM   #1004
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I strongly agree, that "No" button should not be there at all.
I don't agree with that. I use the "No"- button sometimes. For example, if someone has a problem with his Fedora, and there is someone who posts :"Go for Ubuntu, it is better!" than this post is in no way helpful, and I will use the No-button to express this. And it seems to me that I am not the only one. I don't think that the No button should cause negative reputation, but if I (as somewhat experienced user) see a post whith a "0 of 4 members find this useful" under it then I simply ignore it, and I think if a newbie user sees something like this he also would think twice to consider this as solution to a problem.
 
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:02 AM   #1005
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I don't agree with that. I use the "No"- button sometimes. For example, if someone has a problem with his Fedora, and there is someone who posts :"Go for Ubuntu, it is better!" than this post is in no way helpful, and I will use the No-button to express this. And it seems to me that I am not the only one. I don't think that the No button should cause negative reputation, but if I (as somewhat experienced user) see a post whith a "0 of 4 members find this useful" under it then I simply ignore it, and I think if a newbie user sees something like this he also would think twice to consider this as solution to a problem.
Okay, I can see you have a point there. But it should not affect the reputation of that member.

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