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Old 11-28-2010, 12:49 PM   #961
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I disagree with the part where we do ask people to look at man pages. This forum would have been filled with my stupid and perhaps annoying questions if I did not have the man pages. I always encourage people to read man pages - it may sound impolite and perhaps even rude but then the man page can teach a _lot_ more than what we possibly can. Many questions are answered simply if you go through the man pages. The end section of the man page where it says 'see also' is always something more intresting and informative. I wonder how many of us have posted something _without_ going through man pages.
As far as ratings are concerned it only makes sense when an OP has the time and patience to mark us. Most of the time the OP disappears when he gets a solution. Maybe he does not even know.
Another important thing is we are not working on the OPs pc. He alone knows what happened and what he has done prior to the pc not working correctly. Most of the times it is guesswork and assumptions on our end but then we try and make the sane assumptions.
I believe there is no one who does not want to help a newbie. Most people I know on this forum would bend over backwards to help someone. The helping nature of the people on this forum cannot be questioned - atleast my experience tells me.
 
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Old 11-28-2010, 10:28 PM   #962
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There is no doubt that the people on this forum are very helpful. Hence the disbelief of receiving neg rep for an answer given in good faith. It may not have been the solution, but it may get one started in the right direction. I've gotten answers before that did not help, but it sure as hades got me going in the right direction.
 
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:44 PM   #963
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Could it be that some of the negatives are caused by users accidentally clicking No when intending to click Quote and maybe not noticing the error? How about moving "Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No" onto the same line as, and to the left of, the Report and Quote buttons which would put No beside the less used Report button (and save some vertical space)?
 
Old 12-10-2010, 12:07 AM   #964
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I never really looked at it that much - but I think you could be right in some cases.
 
Old 12-10-2010, 12:31 AM   #965
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Could it be that some of the negatives are caused by users accidentally clicking No when intending to click Quote and maybe not noticing the error? How about moving "Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No" onto the same line as, and to the left of, the Report and Quote buttons which would put No beside the less used Report button (and save some vertical space)?
Or leave them where they are but make them into big buttons like report and quote.

Or remove the "Did you find this post helpful?" and must make two buttons, one labeled "Helpful Post" and the other labeled "Not Helpful Post"

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Old 12-10-2010, 04:28 AM   #966
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There is no doubt that the people on this forum are very helpful. Hence the disbelief of receiving neg rep for an answer given in good faith. It may not have been the solution, but it may get one started in the right direction. I've gotten answers before that did not help, but it sure as hades got me going in the right direction.
And that makes the rep system a moot point with negative impact.

Just my
 
Old 12-10-2010, 08:03 AM   #967
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Could it be that some of the negatives are caused by users accidentally clicking No when intending to click Quote and maybe not noticing the error?
It's actually not possible, as even when the negative aspect of the reputation system is enabled, clicking "No" on "Did you find this post helpful" doesn't give out negative rep.

--jeremy
 
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Old 12-10-2010, 08:05 AM   #968
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And that makes the rep system a moot point with negative impact.
As previously mentioned in this thread, the negative portion of the system has been disabled while we formulate and codify the correct use cases.

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Old 12-10-2010, 09:45 AM   #969
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I think correct use should be only for dangerous or useless advice. I can't think of anything else that it can be used for that must not also be reported.
 
Old 12-10-2010, 10:36 AM   #970
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I think correct use should be only for dangerous or useless advice. I can't think of anything else that it can be used for that must not also be reported.
I agree. We can always be wrong, simply because the OP in a thread wasn't clear, or we just didn't understand. I've been known to give useless advice, but never dangerous. Maybe annoying, though.
 
Old 12-10-2010, 01:15 PM   #971
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...but then the man page can teach a _lot_ more than what we possibly can. Many questions are answered simply if you go through the man pages. The end section of the man page where it says 'see also' is always something more intresting and informative. I wonder how many of us have posted something _without_ going through man pages.
While you are correct; however, sometimes when your just learning things the man pages can seem very intimidating at times. Hence, as I have done myself, a post is made that seems stupid. Either way, I have found most to bend over backward to be helpful.
 
Old 12-11-2010, 09:58 PM   #972
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I think correct use should be only for dangerous or useless advice. I can't think of anything else that it can be used for that must not also be reported.
I kinda disagree with "useless" being bad. I can't count the number of times I've spent my time researching problems and posting solutions just to have it not work for the OP. One thing I've learned from using linux and trying to help here on LQ is that every system is different, and with the rate of advancement in technology, not many problems have been discovered, solved, and documented, outside of a few recurring issues, and that makes it difficult to help someone who insists on replacing what works with "bleeding edge" software on the latest and greatest hardware. Most new problems are solved through trial and error. I'm a much better "doer" than instructor, and I don't have the OP's PC on my desk. This has been my argument against a rep system since the first time it was mentioned after I joined LQ, and I still don't see how a "correct use" for bad rep could be defined or enforced.
 
Old 12-12-2010, 07:34 AM   #973
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Ok, we can rephrase it to "dangerous advice, offtopic material".
 
Old 12-28-2010, 06:21 AM   #974
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As previously mentioned by jeremy in post #11
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If member foo uses the reputation system on member bar, then member foo cannot use the reputation system again on member bar until $n other members have done so.
I don't fully understand the reasons for this limitation. In a couple of occasions I liked to give some positive feedback to other members, but the system prevented me from doing that. What if any other user don't give reputation to these fellows for a long time? I will forget to do it and the positive feedback will be lost.

I know that this limitation is intended for not misusing the reputation system, but wouldn't it be better to fix a timeout, after which member foo can use the reputation system again on member bar? Thanks.
 
Old 12-28-2010, 09:30 AM   #975
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As you noted, the limitation is there to prevent abuses. If a sufficient number of members are legitimately hitting this, it's possible we can add a timeout or make other adjustments.

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