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Old 11-18-2010, 10:20 AM   #901
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As I stated earlier in this thread, as we still don't have posted guidelines, only egregious reps will be investigated. I asked for feedback on the guidelines here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post4140145 and only got a few responses. There is now way to see your entore history now, but it's certainly something we'd consider as a future enhancement. Thanks for the continued feedback.

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Old 11-18-2010, 10:20 AM   #902
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Based on feedback I will post a first rough draft of the negative rep guidelines some time tomorrow.

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Old 11-18-2010, 10:44 AM   #903
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The link you have posted points to itself
 
Old 11-18-2010, 10:51 AM   #904
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The link you have posted points to itself
The link works as expected for me.

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Old 11-18-2010, 11:20 AM   #905
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This is a non-democratic system... I cannot increase my own reputation...
 
Old 11-18-2010, 01:05 PM   #906
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Let's get together a solid list of reasons for leaving negative rep and come to some kind of consensus then. From there I'll post the FAQ, leave a notice for Senior Members and we'll start enforcing it. I'm less worried about a FAQ entry for leaving positive rep, but if a sufficient number of members think it would be beneficial we can look into it. Thanks again all for the continued feedback.

--jeremy
What we really need is a solid list of reasons NOT to leave negative rep, because that concerns me more. For example:

You don't negative rep someone for posting a reasonable answer or howto.

You don't neg rep someone for posting their opinion, as long as it is not dangerous.

And other things ... I guess I can complete the list when they come up, or when I can think more clearly.
 
Old 11-18-2010, 01:36 PM   #907
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What we really need is a solid list of reasons NOT to leave negative rep, because that concerns me more.
It would seem to me that list is nearly endless and couldn't possibly be comprehensive. If we properly narrow the scope of what is acceptable, by definition everything else isn't.

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Old 11-18-2010, 05:53 PM   #908
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Hi,

jeremy, is there a way to look at earlier parts of the list for our reputation/helpful list? The list seems to roll off and previous cannot be viewed.
 
Old 11-19-2010, 09:07 AM   #909
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It would seem to me that list is nearly endless and couldn't possibly be comprehensive. If we properly narrow the scope of what is acceptable, by definition everything else isn't.

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Well, then here are some things that are definitely good candidates for negative rep:

1) Giving dangerous advice deliberately or often. (should also be reported if it is consistent and deliberate)

Neg rep should not be given if it was done on accident or out of ignorance and fixed in due time with apology.

2) Posting completely offtopic or unhelpful material and no answer to the OP's question.

Spam and trolling falls under this category.

3) Posting in a thread with the sole intent of criticizing or discrediting another member who provided an otherwise helpful or ontopic response. (ignore would be a better option)

Certain members (whom you probably know of) make a habit of this, and all it does is change the purpose of the post from answering the OP's question to arguing about who is right on some technicality.

4) Rude or insulting remarks, and anything that is not within the LQ Rules. (should be reported as well)

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5) There should be a way to report use of negative rep that does not abide by this, so that there is no need for meta-mod (as described by xeleema) and as I have done with the posts mentioned earlier.

See:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...using-it-3149/
which I looked at to generate the list.
 
Old 11-19-2010, 10:19 AM   #910
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So how much overlap is there between valid reasons for leaving negative rep and reasons for reporting a post?
 
Old 11-19-2010, 10:22 AM   #911
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So how much overlap is there between valid reasons for leaving negative rep and reasons for reporting a post?
I think there is plenty of overlap. I mean, obviously you can neg rep for breaking the rules, but you should also report.

I dunno, maybe you should just report ?
 
Old 11-19-2010, 10:42 AM   #912
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Well, then here are some things that are definitely good candidates for negative rep:

1) Giving dangerous advice deliberately or often. (should also be reported if it is consistent and deliberate)
Neg rep should not be given if it was done on accident or out of ignorance and fixed in due time with apology.[/quote]If you recall the LQ Rules, following the advice without understanding what it does is also somewhat reportable!

I would amend this to "Repeatedly giving dangerous advice..."

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2) Posting completely offtopic or unhelpful material and no answer to the OP's question.

Spam and trolling falls under this category.
In the case of spam or trolling it is clearly more appropriate to hit the report button. In the case of spam, it will cost the poster their access. In the case of trolling it's more difficult: firstly we have many members who cannot tell the difference between "trolling", "disagreeing", "having an opinion" and "mocking advice which appears stupid to them". But really, the report button would give a more objective approach.

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3) Posting in a thread with the sole intent of criticizing or discrediting another member who provided an otherwise helpful or ontopic response. (ignore would be a better option)

Certain members (whom you probably know of) make a habit of this, and all it does is change the purpose of the post from answering the OP's question to arguing about who is right on some technicality.
"Ignore" or "report" would be the better option. You want the person to change their behaviour and down-repping would not cause this to happen. In the case of ignoring them, they would soon find that their legitimate problems were not being addressed and take steps to fix that - whether with a sincere approach or by leaving.

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4) Rude or insulting remarks, and anything that is not within the LQ Rules. (should be reported as well)
Breaking the Rules, as in this example, should be reported when spotted. This is very clear cut.

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5) There should be a way to report use of negative rep that does not abide by this, so that there is no need for meta-mod (as described by xeleema) and as I have done with the posts mentioned earlier.
The rep system should not be used in place of the moderation system. There are active moderators here and we do act on the reports. If we were not so active I would agree that the rep system would be the better "punishment" (for want of a better word) but that doesn't apply here.

My view is that there is little reason to down-rep someone but, as always, this is just one man's opinion and is no less or more valid than anyone else's!
 
Old 11-19-2010, 10:56 AM   #913
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Yeah, you see, there is a lot of overlap, and this was why I was questioning the usefulness of negative rep in the first place.

For #3 that I posted, I also prefer to ignore than neg rep, because I'm positive that I will receive a return neg rep.

Well, so far only #1 is clear cut reason for neg rep. Post more possible rules if you have them.
 
Old 11-19-2010, 11:07 AM   #914
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Would it be useful to control the ability to give negative rep sort of similar to the way Slashdot uses karma to regulate who can moderate? Basically, nobody can give negative rep until they've earned some level of positive rep. Theoretically that would suggest the person has participated positively and should understand the LQ rules to a reasonable extent. And to borrow another Slashdot process, maybe you can't both post in a thread and give negative rep. That might short-circuit the ability to retaliate against someone giving you negative rep.
 
Old 11-19-2010, 11:19 AM   #915
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Would it be useful to control the ability to give negative rep sort of similar to the way Slashdot uses karma to regulate who can moderate? Basically, nobody can give negative rep until they've earned some level of positive rep.
Not only do you need positive rep to give negative rep, you also need to be in the Senior Member usergroup. There are quite a few other restrictions and limitations built into the system as well.


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