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Old 10-27-2010, 02:33 AM   #871
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Well, people here still think that it is bad to give a down rep on misbehaviors of the members.

What do *those* people have to say about this post ?
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...0/#post4140498

This is the same member who started this thread:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...estion-835387/

and even before that I had explained him the reasons for not using SMS language on this technical forum here:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...3/#post4100791

and you may still disagree with the above, but IMHO such members clutter LQ and make it DIRTY and they deserve a down rep!!

Last edited by TheIndependentAquarius; 10-27-2010 at 02:35 AM.
 
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Old 10-27-2010, 02:41 AM   #872
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and I think it is possible that new members do not see the reputations given to them and reasons for the same according to me are:

the reputation tab gets hidden behind the arrows >> due to many other tabs like:

"visitor messages"
"about me"
"statistics"
"friends"
"contact info"

If it could be moved here, it could be eye catching for the new members:

"visitor messages"
"about me"
"statistics"
"reputation"
"friends"
"contact info"

 
Old 10-27-2010, 02:46 AM   #873
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Quote:
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First, I do not agree that answering a question with "Google it" deserves negative rep. If someone actually posts a question for which the correct answer is "Google it", then it's that person who deserves to be punished, not the person who points it out.
I agree, there are times when "google it" is appropriate, although I would recommend a search engine other than google, because google is evil.

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I would also not leave negative rep for "harmful advice." Instead, I would assume that the poster was acting in good faith and just point out why the advice was wrong. EDIT: unless, of course, I have good reason to believe that the poster should have already known.
I disagree, especially if there is clear malevolent intent. Technically, if it especially dangerous, I will report the post.

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I would consider leaving negative rep for:
  • continuing to write posts in instant messaging shorthand after being asked not to
  • posting more than one question that's obviously homework, with no evidence of having done any work to solve it
  • posting a homework question and then being abusive or sarcastic when asked to attempt it first
  • posting an obvious troll for which a constructive response is neither possible nor apparently desired
  • repeatedly questioning the credentials or motives of thread participants they disagree with, or otherwise posting what amount to ad hominem attacks.
I have not neg repped for any of these reasons. I don't know if asking homework questions deserves negative rep. I just provide resources to help them get an answer.

I agree that I should probably neg rep for IM shorthand or no complete sentences, but I often just ignore the user instead.

I admit to sometimes trolling in General ... I rarely rep anyone for anything in General, and only positive.

As for questioning the credentials or disagreeing, this has happened to me before, but I think it is best to ignore the user, lest it turn into a rep war between us. I neg rep him, he neg rep me, and we get nowhere.

Quote:
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While we will actively remove any abuses or egregious violations in the system, before we have guidelines in place I have no plans to arbitrarily remove reps that some members simply may not agree with.

--jeremy
Then, I have chosen to fix it myself, 1+ rep and 1- rep. Otherwise, I don't think it is fair.

I really do hope that some system is implemented to dispute this negative rep, that was not deserved, otherwise I will be opting out of this rep system, especially if more examples appear.
 
Old 10-27-2010, 02:55 AM   #874
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I don't know if asking homework questions deserves negative rep.
But do think the same even if the member continues to ask the homework questions without paying any attention to the previous warnings ?
 
Old 10-27-2010, 02:57 AM   #875
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Just to comment on the IM speak, I refuse to read anything that is:

1) In IM speak
2) Does not have proper punctuation, examples of BAD punctuation

this is not.a complete.sentence.so do not ever do this. or i will ignore you.
nor should you do ... this ... because ... it really is very hard ... to understand ... really long "sentences" ... when the only punctuation ... is the ... elipses

Good:

This is a complete sentence. You don't need to include commas if you don't want to. But, it does help. Notice the period at the end, and the capital letters at the beginning of each sentence.

Now, I understand that some people are not native English speakers, however, this is no excuse to do the above mentioned things. Heck, if you can't use periods for some reason (the key is missing) at the very least put each sentence on a new line:

Acceptable if you don't speak English well:

this is acceptable as a sentence if you don't speak english well
yes it is harder to read and I may not read it
but if you keep it short concise and to the point I may

Please do try to use complete sentences tho.
 
Old 10-27-2010, 02:58 AM   #876
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But do think the same even if the member continues to ask the homework questions without paying any attention to the previous warnings ?
If they keep doing it, then yes they deserve neg rep.
 
Old 10-27-2010, 03:03 AM   #877
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If they keep doing it, then yes they deserve neg rep.
Well, when I stress on giving them a neg rep is when they been given at least 3-4 warnings before OR they have a high post count and this includes "off-topic provocative comments" too.
 
Old 10-27-2010, 06:32 AM   #878
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Originally Posted by anishakaul View Post
Well, people here still think that it is bad to give a down rep on misbehaviors of the members.

What do *those* people have to say about this post ?
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...0/#post4140498

This is the same member who started this thread:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...estion-835387/

and even before that I had explained him the reasons for not using SMS language on this technical forum here:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...3/#post4100791

and you may still disagree with the above, but IMHO such members clutter LQ and make it DIRTY and they deserve a down rep!!
Wow - I need to get out and about to the other forums here at LQ. I have never seen anything like that here in the Slackware forum. Yes, I'd definitely be down-repping that goofy clown. I think I've been too sheltered in the Slackware Forum.
 
Old 10-27-2010, 07:09 AM   #879
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Hi,

This #32 post is very offensive and violates most of what we a speaking of. I did reply to that post, plus reported.

I did click the not helpful but no rep at this point. If that member continues with posts that I'm involved with then I'll consider rep.

The content of the #32 was offensive and stupid. No sentence structure or proper grammar. IM/AOL/abbreviated speak should not be used here on LQ.

For one, representation does not provide a full understanding or definition so there is no way for a complete nor explicit means for interpretation when abbreviated text is used to communicate.
 
Old 10-27-2010, 07:36 AM   #880
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I did reply to that post, plus reported.
I did report that post in the morning but perhaps Tinkste is still sleeping
 
Old 10-27-2010, 08:24 AM   #881
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Quote:
Originally Posted by anishakaul View Post
What do *those* people have to say about this post ?
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...0/#post4140498
First impression: I'm shocked that someone actually rated it helpful. The person who posted it should be banned, not downrepped.

Last edited by dugan; 10-27-2010 at 08:26 AM.
 
Old 10-27-2010, 08:33 AM   #882
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Quote:
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The person who posted it should be banned, not downrepped.
Banning is only in hands of Mods and the mortals like us can only downrep
 
Old 10-27-2010, 09:59 AM   #883
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Originally Posted by mrmnemo View Post
sorry,

To be clear about it: In my user panel I see when I get reviewed / rated. Why not let others see the same info FROM the question / answer post within the thread.
I think the above would have some unintended consequences, but the main reason we don't do it is for performance reasons.

--jeremy
 
Old 10-27-2010, 11:32 AM   #884
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As we are looking at bad users.... how about this post: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...3/#post4131121
 
Old 10-29-2010, 08:36 AM   #885
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sayan_acharjee View Post
Okay I know these things, but simply using an quote tag instead of code tag ain't a huge crime, thats all I am saying, this can be ignored. I would have ignored that.
I was just browsing through the posts here again and I stumbled on your post having the above quote. Whatever I had commented WRT above quote would have been more valid if that downrepped post of yours had been *without* any tags. Ofcourse using quote tags instead of code tags is not good thing but not a *major* crime either. I would have ignored that post too.
 
  


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