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Old 10-01-2010, 01:52 PM   #766
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My opinion about this new system hasn't changed. It stays disabled.
 
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Old 10-01-2010, 02:45 PM   #767
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So I was searching google for an answer to a question and seen a link to LQ at which point I though "Have they go rid of that god damn awful rating system". Well congratulations you have ... but replaced it with another one FFS.
I have disabled it and will now continue to ignore these forums.
Over a thing like a rating system, and one that you can disable ?

Huh ?

Well, go ahead I guess, no use it thinking about it again, when your can think more clearly.
 
Old 10-02-2010, 01:08 AM   #768
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Over a thing like a rating system, and one that you can disable ?

Huh ?

Well, go ahead I guess, no use it thinking about it again, when your can think more clearly.
Speaking of "thinking more clearly", somebody was not thinking too clearly when he came up with such a snarky answer. Such snarkiness has ruined far better forums than this one in the past. It will ruin this one too if certain people don't wise up and desist.

The fact of that matter is that simply being able to disable it on an individual basis does not prevent the reputation system from doing the damage it can do to a forum. Especially not when -- as here -- the proponents are insistently oblivious to the danger.
 
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Old 10-02-2010, 07:32 AM   #769
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Hi,

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Speaking of "thinking more clearly", somebody was not thinking too clearly when he came up with such a snarky answer. Such snarkiness has ruined far better forums than this one in the past. It will ruin this one too if certain people don't wise up and desist.

The fact of that matter is that simply being able to disable it on an individual basis does not prevent the reputation system from doing the damage it can do to a forum. Especially not when -- as here -- the proponents are insistently oblivious to the danger.
Talk about someone not thinking clearly. H_TeXMeX_H's was not 'snarky' but a reply to;
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So I was searching google for an answer to a question and seen a link to LQ at which point I though "Have they go rid of that god damn awful rating system". Well congratulations you have ... but replaced it with another one FFS.
I have disabled it and will now continue to ignore these forums.
I really believe you have no idea about the nature of this forum. So how can you make this assessment? As an active member of LQ, I am not blanketed by your statement:
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Such snarkiness has ruined far better forums than this one in the past. It will ruin this one too if certain people don't wise up and desist.

The fact of that matter is that simply being able to disable it on an individual basis does not prevent the reputation system from doing the damage it can do to a forum. Especially not when -- as here -- the proponents are insistently oblivious to the danger.
I'm sure other members feel the same as I about the character or nature of the blended community in that it is viable and strong enough to utilize a rep system in the proper manner. If a member needs to or wants to not participate then that too will not be a problem. Assumptions do nothing but harm!
 
Old 10-02-2010, 07:40 AM   #770
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the proponents are insistently oblivious to the danger.
OK, tell me, what is the danger?
 
Old 10-02-2010, 07:54 AM   #771
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OK, tell me, what is the danger?
Yes, I too would like to know, what danger, what damage ? Probably Jeremy would be interested too.

As for 'snarky' it seems to be some slang word with imprecise meaning, but something negative nonetheless. I meant no disrespect, but as onebuck says take a look at the post I am quoting. I think dmail is clearly overreacting and offers no argument for his POV. In fact 'snarky' would apply much more to his post than mine. I just gave him some advice, perhaps he should really try to think about it more, or when he can think more clearly. It is sound advice in this case. Does he make any sense to you ?
 
Old 10-02-2010, 08:39 AM   #772
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Hi,

dmail post seems to indicate that we'll not hear anything in the future so his post was indeed 'snarky' by definition. As I said 'assumptions do harm'.

The harm/danger indicated by mejohnsn is in that no one has made the problem fully aware nor defined it. Proponent & 'snarky' used in the content of the post seems to show the position(s) of the poster. Everything with the rep system as it is today seems successful with the open discussions concerning it form the proponent or opponent positions. Healthy! mejohnsn did not define or place a true indicator as to his/her reasoning behind the danger. Again assumptions that were never presented for debate. Rather open ended.
 
Old 10-03-2010, 12:46 AM   #773
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Hi,

dmail post seems to indicate that we'll not hear anything in the future so his post was indeed 'snarky' by definition. As I said 'assumptions do harm'.

The harm/danger indicated by mejohnsn is in that no one has made the problem fully aware nor defined it. Proponent & 'snarky' used in the content of the post seems to show the position(s) of the poster. Everything with the rep system as it is today seems successful with the open discussions concerning it form the proponent or opponent positions. Healthy! mejohnsn did not define or place a true indicator as to his/her reasoning behind the danger. Again assumptions that were never presented for debate. Rather open ended.
Speaking of assumptions, think for a moment about the false assumptions you made when you falsely claimed that I never presented the dangers. Of course I have. Did you even search the thread? Or did you read it and yet still miss it?

Think also about what assumptions you are making when you take the evidence you mention as evidence that it is 'healthy'. It is no such thing -- as you will find out the hard way.
 
Old 10-03-2010, 02:59 AM   #774
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Talking wow

Hi,

kinda surprised to see this thread still going. I doubt highly that my current skill set is even close to being at par with grapeFruti, TexMex, Jermy, and onebuck. As a junior member ( I guess ) or this forum I have to put in my 2 cents worth though.

The solution was already built in it seems. I mean, you can either enable, disable, or completely ignore the reputation system. From some numbers that Jeremy had posted somewhere in this thread, it seems apparent that the system works. But I am not trying to sound all stuck up and stuffs.

I am sure that, as moderators, you guys jump quick if you see anyone posting any thing that would do harm purposefully. IMHO, most of the folks I have helped and received help from at linuxquestions.org has been great. That is except the time I had a mental episode due to lack of understanding, and thought I had been hacked...ahhh to be a jack ass.

Any way, good looking out guys for keeping a great site up and going for people to learn about Linux. The support is so good ( most times ) I have pointed a few folks that I did some repairs to ( and got to use linux ) to this site for help.

See ya.
 
Old 10-03-2010, 06:15 AM   #775
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Look, this thread is huge, and I did NOT read all of it, and I probably won't, at least link to the post.
 
Old 10-03-2010, 11:52 AM   #776
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Hi,

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Speaking of assumptions, think for a moment about the false assumptions you made when you falsely claimed that I never presented the dangers. Of course I have. Did you even search the thread? Or did you read it and yet still miss it?

Think also about what assumptions you are making when you take the evidence you mention as evidence that it is 'healthy'. It is no such thing -- as you will find out the hard way.
Then show these dangers you speak of.
 
Old 10-04-2010, 01:50 PM   #777
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Look, this thread is huge, and I did NOT read all of it, and I probably won't, at least link to the post.
You are "shifting the burden". If you have not read the whole thread, then you have absolutely no right to make the assertions you made. End of story.
 
Old 10-04-2010, 03:18 PM   #778
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You are "shifting the burden". If you have not read the whole thread, then you have absolutely no right to make the assertions you made. End of story.
I have read the thread and participated from the start. So post the dangers that you speak of. I'll make my point in that you don't have a valid argument. I've requested this before: Show the dangers you speak of. Don't make a vague statement without substantial supportive points.
 
Old 10-06-2010, 08:25 AM   #779
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You are "shifting the burden". If you have not read the whole thread, then you have absolutely no right to make the assertions you made. End of story.
Ok, so just now I have searched this thread for your name and I got 7 posts total.

I looked at all of them, and none of them are what you say.

Also in this post:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post4101536

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Now don't get me wrong, I have my own objections to a reputation system (and have expressed some of them in this thread).
This means that you have expressed these at some point before this post.

However, there are only 2 posts previous to this one and none of them say anything.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post4090066

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Interesting. I remember a time when the was the Ubuntu mods who had this reputation of being so very nice, not dictatorial at all. Something changed over there.

Now what is there to prevent that same change, or a similar change from taking place here?
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post4090064

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A week of data is nowhere near enough. It really is that simple.
Now, I ask you one more time to kindly recite the dangers, and if you don't you will be added to my ignore list for being a troll.

End of line.
 
Old 10-06-2010, 05:55 PM   #780
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hehe
 
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