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Old 08-30-2010, 12:22 PM   #451
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Reputation expressed as a percentage of what?

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Old 08-30-2010, 12:26 PM   #452
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as a percentage of 'totaly trustworthy'. i think people just need to distinguish who is trustworthy and who isn't.
i don't think people with 50 points are less trustworthy than those with 250 points.

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Old 08-30-2010, 12:29 PM   #453
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I can't see a way to build "trustworthiness" into the system in anything that even resembles a reliable way. To clarify my original question: What are you proposing this percentage be based on?

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Old 08-30-2010, 12:48 PM   #454
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will there be a leader-board ?
 
Old 08-30-2010, 12:51 PM   #455
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vaguely speaking, someone with a 100% reputation is 'totally trustworthy', analogous to a seller on ebay who has had no complaints from buyers. we can adjust that a bit by taking into account a user's seniority, number of posts, etc, but
possibly mainly reflecting
Code:
(num_helpful_posts/(num_helpful_posts + num_unhelpful_posts))*100
. you also can also continue to use a point-system underneath a scaling function f() having the property that
Code:
lim f(x) == 1
x --> infinity
just vague thoughts out for discussion.

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Old 08-30-2010, 01:07 PM   #456
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But who would decide who is totally trustworthy and how would that be expressed as a number?
 
Old 08-30-2010, 01:14 PM   #457
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it will be expressed as a number as soon as we agree on a formula. 'totally trustworthy' is meaningless -- it's just what a reputation of 100% means. i think we're not in the culture of marking people's posts as being unhelpful, but if we were to change our habits, then the formula here is good enough to capture the meaning without having to take into account seniority, etc.
 
Old 08-30-2010, 01:24 PM   #458
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It's possible we'd consider something like that as part of the "Helpful" system, but it falls a bit outside the scope of the reputation system I think. Thanks for the feedback.

--jeremy
 
Old 08-30-2010, 01:27 PM   #459
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Post Feedback Post - My 200 Cents

Okay everyone, bear with me. This is my 200th post, and I've just finished reading the last five pages of this thread.
So here's my one, big "feedback" post

/me cracks knuckles & eyes the keyboard

@jeremy

Quote:
* Would showing per post rep be beneficial?
Yes, however, I think this would be the most help if it was searchable somehow. Or perhaps a highlight around the "Most Helpful" post in a given thread.
(Maybe another icon? A Trophy perhaps?)

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* Should voting "No" on "Did you find this post helpful" decrease rep?
I would think so. But this should be weighted two-fold;
Is either the down-modder or the poster the OP?
Is the Rep of the down-modder higher/lower than the poster?
Theorem: The logic here is that the OP is going to know better (than most) if a given post was helpful.
Corrolary; A poster with higher rep (should) have a better indication if they were being helpful.

Quote:
* Should a member need some amount of positive rep to be able to impact other members rep?
Keep in mind that members with 0 rep can currently *use* the system, although they do not add rep when doing so.
This also seems like a good idea. However, I'm not sure if one thing has been addressed;
Can someone with Nega-Rep leave Nega-Rep, regardless of post-count or what group they are in?

Quote:
Would there be anyone *against* a one time reputation addition made based on some thanks system statistics?
Glad to see this was done, that was a good idea.

Quote:
We have no plans to add a grammar (or spelling ) component to the rep system.
Please don't do that. Ever. That would surely trip up just as many native-english speakers as non-native.
Although it may be frustrating at times (so very, very frustrating), I don't think we need to even start heading
down that particular slippery slope.

Also, someone mentioned the following;
Quote:
Earlier in this very long thread Jeremy mentioned a per-thread statistic that might be implemented...
This also seems like a good idea, again implementation is paramount.
How about the current "Rep:" number shows up as usual, then below that a "Rep Forum Bonus: +25"
(which would have been added to the currently displayed "Rep:").
Of course, with the previous mention of 'Rep == Experience Points' I think we should call it THAC0 instead.
(Forgive me, I couldn't resist the D&D reference.)

Thanks for all of the great work, Jeremy!

@anishakaul
I agree with your down-rep here;
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...0/#post4080666
The OP was being combative, and doesn't seem to be very familiar with the concept of "netiquette".
Admitedly, I would have handled it a bit differently. Mainly by posting a recommendation for both the OP,
and the person OP was quoting, to visit the links in my signature 'For Great Justice'
(as they pertain to "netiquette"). Frankly, it sounds like both of them could use a beer before posting.

As for your up-rep here;
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...reated-829038/
I would have done the same. The OP knew how to ask a question, which is the "Second Step" of the "Learning How to Learn" process.

Thank you for encouraging new members!

Also, you made an interesting comment;
Quote:
If an OP has been marked down already for a post 2 times, then some one else cannot mark him down for the same post a 3rd time!
Again, I would like to see a weighted system here;
If someone has given Negative Rep to a post, then a "Rep Threshold" should be stuck to that post.
The idea being that only other members with a Rep equal to or higher than the "Rep Threshold" can again subsequently down-rep it.
(This should stop someone from making another account, posting & replying to themselves to "unlock" their new account, the Plus-Rep'ing their post.)
I'm not sure if this "Per Post Rep Threshold" should/could apply when someone awards Plus-Rep when a post has first received Nega-Rep.

@schneidz
Quote:
will there be a leader-board?
I don't think that would be such a good idea, at least not placed somewhere prominent.
One can only imagine the number of private messages those members would get...

Thanks everyone!
(Especially those that took the time to read this entire post )
 
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Old 08-30-2010, 01:29 PM   #460
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will there be a leader-board ?
It was added to the stats page a while back on a trial basis. It will likely stay there.

--jeremy
 
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Old 08-30-2010, 01:31 PM   #461
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It's possible we'd consider something like that as part of the "Helpful" system, but it falls a bit outside the scope of the reputation system I think. Thanks for the feedback.

--jeremy
thank you for the consideration, jeremy.
 
Old 08-30-2010, 01:33 PM   #462
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Or perhaps a highlight around the "Most Helpful" post in a given thread.
We already do this, within the framework of the Helpful system.

Quote:
Can someone with Nega-Rep leave Nega-Rep, regardless of post-count or what group they are in?
Anyone in the Senior Member usergroup or above can leave negative rep.

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Old 08-30-2010, 01:47 PM   #463
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A member who just joined, has very few posts and no rep will give off a single point. The number of points goes up based on those three factors. We've decreased the rate at which it goes up and have capped the maximum number.

--jeremy
Isn't the point of this forum to help newbies? Why are you not letting us be rewarded for it?
 
Old 08-30-2010, 01:49 PM   #464
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The point of LQ is to help members with Linux and Open Source issues. In what way is this system "not letting us be rewarded for it", even if "it" is helping members new to the site and not simply members?

--jeremy
 
Old 08-30-2010, 01:51 PM   #465
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It was added to the stats page a while back on a trial basis. It will likely stay there.

--jeremy
thanks, i wish it would put the users ranking as it compares to the top 10.
 
  


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