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Old 08-28-2010, 10:06 AM   #301
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Jeremy, I think I've found a bug.

If you click the "yes" then you can't click the add rep button,
That's correct. You can't rep them because clicking yes already did so,

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however it works in reverse (by works, you first click the rep icon then click the Yes and it changes to - "thank you for rating this post" - I dont know if it increases the rep twice.)
You can indeed click Yes as normal, but no additional rep will be given.

--jeremy
 
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Old 08-28-2010, 10:08 AM   #302
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And since jeremy said that he'll be working on showing the Reputation points per post on the post itself
FWIW, I have not decided if we'll be adding this, but I'm interested in feedback for or against it.

--jeremy
 
Old 08-28-2010, 10:11 AM   #303
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Should the links in the User CP link to the post which has been repped up? It seems to point a perticular page of the forums but then it wasn't pointing to my "post".

I'm not sure if this is internet explorer not rendering correctly and so showing me the wrong post.
This works as expected for me and the URI's are correct and properly formatted. It's quite possible you're seeing a browser bug.

--jeremy
 
Old 08-28-2010, 10:15 AM   #304
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Why?
(Which is in reference to "2) Within the framework of how the system works, giving out a constant amount of rep regardless of how long you've been a member, how many posts you have and what your reputation is really doesn't make sense.")

I think it stands to reason that the more senior a member, the more they have participated and the more positive reputation they have gained would equate to them giving out more rep. If a total stranger vouched for someone or a trusted friend vouched for someone, would you evaluate those two exactly the same?

--jeremy
 
Old 08-28-2010, 10:17 AM   #305
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FWIW, I have not decided if we'll be adding this, but I'm interested in feedback for or against it.

--jeremy
Feedback in favor :

When two senior knowledgeable members are arguing with each other on pros and cons of a topic, it becomes necessary for NOOBS like me to know who is correct.

If Per post it is marked as +100 and another as -10, it will be easy to see who is correct !

and no hovering mouse feature please ! That's a request.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 10:25 AM   #306
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FWIW, I have not decided if we'll be adding this, but I'm interested in feedback for or against it.
I'm in favour of this feature.

If someone wants to use the rep system to decide who's reply s/he can trust s/he should have access to the statistics of those specific posts in that thread. The global rep count doesn't say that much in those specific cases, it just shows how trustworthy someone is in general. And we all make mistakes and have gaps in our knowledge.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 10:25 AM   #307
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showing the Reputation points per post on the post itself
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FWIW, I have not decided if we'll be adding this, but I'm interested in feedback for or against it.
--jeremy
This would be a big help. I was using the old Thanks system as a way to figure out what about each of my posts was helpful (so I could improve). By showing which posts were "Rep'd Up" I could study other people's posts, too!
(Especially if it was possible to see the comments left when Rep was given)

On a side note, is there a limit to how many times per-thread or per-day (not per-user) someone can give Rep out?
I found one person's post within this thread helpful, and hit "Yes" to "Did you find this post helpful?". I came across a second post (by a different user) that was also helpful, but when I tried to click "Yes", I received "You may not vote on any more threads today."?

(I re-read this thread from page 9 and checked FAQ before posting....nothing about a "Cap" on Reputation-per-day someone may give....)

Last edited by xeleema; 08-28-2010 at 10:35 AM.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 10:32 AM   #308
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A quick update. The code is now completely rolled out and everyone who should have access to rep now does. I'd consider this BETA for now and would appreciate any additional feedback members have. This includes any bugs you find, any additional features or functionality you think would be useful and any questions/comments you may have. Thanks again. The system has already been used quite a bit, and it's clear that the "Did you find this post helpful" is going to be a significant driver here.

--jeremy
 
Old 08-28-2010, 10:51 AM   #309
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Hi,

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The system has already been used quite a bit, and it's clear that the "Did you find this post helpful" is going to be a significant driver here.
I guess that is (partially?) because of the placing of the rep icon.

It is located next to two informational only icons (distro and on/off-line) and the icon itself doesn't make clear this one has more then some informational function.

You made it clear that you will not consider to place it at the old Thanks button place, would you consider placing it on the same line (on the left?) as the "Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No" line? This would keep topics/functionality together.

Just my 2c.
 
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Old 08-28-2010, 10:53 AM   #310
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I found one person's post within this thread helpful, and hit "Yes" to "Did you find this post helpful?". I came across a second post (by a different user) that was also helpful, but when I tried to click "Yes", I received "You may not vote on any more threads today."?
I don't find this feature to be much helpful !

If some one is technically sound but still is not able to mark the post helpful because of the above reasons, then how will some lurker noob know the helpful post of that thread ?

How can one guarantee that some other senior member will definitely lurk that thread to mark that post helpful ?

and if there are 2 posts with equal helpful ratings on them, and another senior sees those posts and realizes the 2nd one is more helpful, tries to mark it helpful, then what if the above system doesn't allow him to do so ?
 
Old 08-28-2010, 11:08 AM   #311
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Where can one find a simple formula for this reputation system?

I think a sticky post summarizing it will be helpful.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 11:21 AM   #312
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Linux is a complicated world. New users (like myself) appreciate as much help as possible even from another newbie. Putting a reputation system in place might just make it more difficult for others to just help. I would not feel confident enough to get involve in any topic on Linux. Up to this day, I am merely a spectator as opposed to being an actor; but I can tell one thing for sure. Every time I was stuck with linux (Love and Hate relationship) "linuxquestions.org" gave me the answer (compare to many other support website out there or IRC Channel). I got the answer sometimes from another newbie or from a senior member and sometimes just by reading old posts ( a lot of times)... I just hope that remains the case after the system is implemented.
I think, as newbies, the most difficult part is to express ourselves with technically relevant details in order to get proper help (how do you do that when most of the times you are guessing how the system works.. I still haven't found the answer). I suppose the challenge for senior members is to correctly identify the issues that we might submit and most of the times formulate an answers and merely guessing what is the issue is about. Again, "linuxquestions.org" excel in every sense. Some of the senior members out there just plainly rock...

Regards,

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Old 08-28-2010, 11:38 AM   #313
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Hi,

@riganta:
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Putting a reputation system in place might just make it more difficult for others to just help. I would not feel confident enough to get involve in any topic on Linux.
Don't let this rep system influence you to give answers. If you do give an answer that is incomplete or wrong others will, probably in a polite way, correct it (upside: you learn something new, downside: you might get a bad rep point). And if the per-post rep system is implemented it will be possible to determine which post has the most credibility.

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I just hope that remains the case after the system is implemented.
I think it will stay the same, although there will always be people that go for the rep points (helping and receiving rep from someone with a good rep already, gives you more rep points then helping a total newbie with none or just a view rep points....)

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I think, as newbies, the most difficult part is to express ourselves with technically relevant details in order to get proper help. I suppose the challenge for senior members is to correctly identify the issues that we might submit and most of the times formulate an answers and merely guessing what is the issue is about.
That sounds about correct to me
One of the strong points of LQ is that we in general have a lot of patience with newbies and will try to guide them.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 12:19 PM   #314
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I don't think so !

**Many** times I seen senior members reminding the OP's to:

1. Not to write in sms language.
2. To provide system details.
3. Not to ask homework questions without showing any efforts.
4. Not to create duplicate threads.
5. Not to hijack other people's threads.
6. Not to create titles like "Urgent, help".

But still that's of NO use since I've seen the same OP's repeating the same mistakes again and again, thus ignoring the advises.

If the OP is given a down reputation on the first go (with a proper comment explaining the reasons) he'll be very careful next time !!!
Agreed:
  1. Anyone writing in SMS has got to seriously be out of their minds as it is hard to read.
  2. If someone provides no details and just says "Help me", how are they going to get any help?
  3. Any n00bish questions like "What commands can I use to move, copy, or rename files?" obviously deserve to be Googled, not asked on a forum.
  4. If the OP forks the discussion into two threads, how do we know which thread to reply to? If you want more help, tag the thread.
  5. If you post your own help question in another person's thread, it is called "hijacking" the thread. Don't do it. It draws attention away from the OP.
  6. A thread with a descriptive title is definitely more likely to get a response than a title of one word.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 01:42 PM   #315
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And since jeremy said that he'll be working on showing the Reputation points per post on the post itself
FWIW, I have not decided if we'll be adding this, but I'm interested in feedback for or against it.
Makes sense to have it to me.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremy View Post
The system has already been used quite a bit, and it's clear that the "Did you find this post helpful" is going to be a significant driver here.
Hi,

I guess that is (partially?) because of the placing of the rep icon.

It is located next to two informational only icons (distro and on/off-line) and the icon itself doesn't make clear this one has more then some informational function.

You made it clear that you will not consider to place it at the old Thanks button place, would you consider placing it on the same line (on the left?) as the "Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No" line? This would keep topics/functionality together.

Just my 2c.
Completely agreed. In fact, since 'helpful' is basically a subset of the whole rep thing, I could see replacing both it and the scale icon with something like "_Praise_ or _Blame_ this post" in the place of the current text and functionality. But definitely at least move them together.

Contrariwise, maybe just make the rep blocks a clickable link or provide something like

+ [] [] -

where the brackets represent the blocks and the plus and minus are links to raise or lower the "rep".

And going further still, I think someone's already mentioned making the rep indicator plain text set right alongside the registration/post count item block. Arguably the number or item could be a link to the rep function.

The main argument against these last two is that, while "rep" is given to a specific poster, the motivation is due to a specific post. If that were the decisive argument, then either the current method or druuna's idea (or variation on it) would be better (because more post-centric in placement) and I'd prefer druuna's or the variation.

Just some ideas. I can't help feeling the current interface is slightly "off" even if I don't have a strong commitment to a specific alternative.
 
  


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