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Old 12-06-2017, 07:06 AM   #31
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I can make the decision, but why should I spend time making it over and over again?
Well these are opinions. I feel that "not seeing things" as the first, and automatic filter, is no viable option.

I've corrected that sentence because I originally started to say, "is no solution", whereupon I realized that I do not see this as a problem which requires a solution other than my own real-time judgement.

When I view a news website and there are stories I'm not interested in, I don't read them.

If a thread or a forum on LQ is not interesting to me, then I never even view those.

For forums and threads I do view, I don't check the user, I check the question or advice they are posing. If it is meaningless or some other form of negative where I do not agree, I stop reading it.

In a technical question I'll concentrate on adding an answer to help the question at hand.

In a discussion thread, I'll offer my own thoughts on the subject, and yes I may entirely ignore points made by someone who posts very poorly. This doesn't mean I have filtered their posts using the ignore feature.

I also do think there is a distinction.

There are technical threads, and there are discussion threads. The discussion threads may be highly technical in nature, mind you. So I do recognize that there are threads where people get very hot with their opinions. I also recognize that there are one or more "cut-up" users who post puns, or other veiled responses as both a joke as well as ironic additional comment. Meanwhile, many of those people also offer advice to technical questions and it is not all bad.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 11:55 AM   #32
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rtmistler, you've already made your position rock solid and very clear in a previous post, but for the sake of discussion:
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I feel that "not seeing things" as the first, and automatic filter, is no viable option.
i am definitely not viewing the option as a first or automatic filter.
it's a last resort.
for me it has nothing to do with opinions, but usually with the way some people present their posts.
people who "like to hear themselves speak".
these people usually also do not open their own threads, but re-act to some original content, in oh-so predictable ways.
and after having read it a few dozen times, hell, i already know where this is going, so i skip over it... try to catch a few words to see if it's different this time ... but it isn't... and after having done that also a few dozen times, i decide to drop this pointless wall of words (often also adorned by an equally bloated and useless signature) from my feed.

erm, that was a rather personal explanation.
i'm sure everyone has their own borderline cases that feel so abrasive that the usual defense mechanisms get stressed and worn.

i am now using the feature as is, and i'm not unhappy with it.
at least i can make a conscious decision whether i want to see that person's logorrhoea or not.
and if nothing else, it makes scrolling a little easier.
but my feature request still stands.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 04:51 PM   #33
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Ignore lists are for wusses
and for people who make the world suck(&c) not to exclude anyone for that...
 
Old 12-06-2017, 08:18 PM   #34
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For forums and threads I do view, I don't check the user, I check the question or advice they are posing.
Yeah, that's exactly why I like the ignore list feature. I start reading a post, can't make heads or tails of it, look left: "oh, it's that guy again". After a dozen or so times of that, I put the user on the ignore list, so I don't waste my time trying to decipher nonsense any more.

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I also do think there is a distinction.

There are technical threads, and there are discussion threads.
As it happens, all the users on my ignore list seem to post primarily in General (or at least, I don't recall seeing any ignored posts in technical threads in a long time, although it's true I don't follow all the technical forums). There was one user I ignored due to near illegible & pointless ranting technical posts, but I haven't seen them recently.

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for me it has nothing to do with opinions, but usually with the way some people present their posts.
people who "like to hear themselves speak".
Opinions would be great. With the users I put my ignore list, I rather get the impression they have no opinions becase they are actually chatbots.
 
Old 12-09-2017, 07:59 AM   #35
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Thanks for the feedback. We have no plans to change the Ignore functionality at this time, but do feel free to continue discussing. Based on feedback, we may decide to make changes in the future.

--jeremy
Maybe, if instead of seeing "This post is hidden because user xy or z is your ignore list.", you just saw say at the top or bottom of the screen once, something like for example; "user xy or z has posted in this thread, click here to see their posts." or something very similar to that.

...or at least an option to do that.

I doubt that there's any solution that's gonna please everyone 100% therefore it's at least a nice little "meet ya halfway" approach anyway...
 
Old 12-09-2017, 08:28 AM   #36
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If you see a post by the "offending" person in a thread, why not simply ignore that post? Don't read it. Move on.
 
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Can this be reconsidered? It would be great to not have noise from people who stick around just to spite others and are a disrupting presence to on-topic threads...

Yes, the individual in question was even removed, but someone had the poor taste to allow them back a few days later where the behavior remained unchanged.
 
Old 05-06-2018, 05:54 AM   #38
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I'm not sure if you're refering to what this thread is (or at least was originally) about.
do you wish that certain users should be restricted from posting more strictly?
that wasn't my point.
my point is merely about the UI of the forums; i have the option to "Ignore" a user, but am still reminded of their presence, even taunted with buttons reading "View Post" and "Remove user from Ignore list".
i shrug it off; it wasn't a biggie to begin with. i said my piece, and whatever happens happens - or not.
 
Old 05-09-2018, 09:33 PM   #39
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If you see a post by the "offending" person in a thread, why not simply ignore that post? Don't read it. Move on.
Yes, less potential knowledge even if you don't get it... want it or if it's just there to piss you off because you're that type of person who needs a lesson and not getting pissed off?

[sarcasm]Intolerance, I support that![\sarcasm]

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Old 05-10-2018, 07:25 AM   #40
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...my point is merely about the UI of the forums
Yes I sort of understand your intentions as you've described them repeatedly.

I feel that one must consider the framework which the forums have been borne from. I think it's still vBulletin.

Makes sense to me that the tools which create a collaborative forum are geared towards sharing, cross referencing, and making it so that all users can see all. The customization capabilities I feel in this architecture would lend more towards, added power features for preferential users. Which would mean that while there can be controls to have exceptions, you would also see all of those exceptions.

For instance in a thread which has deleted posts due to spam or a duplicate that was removed, the moderators see a note that there was a post and can review the post to manage the reversing of a deletion.

Meanwhile, we're seeing the "more" that you do not wish to see.

Consider what you're proposing and the impact it would have on a per user basis. You ignore a list of users:
  1. Threads started by that user need to be hidden from you.
  2. Updates to that thread by users you don't ignore still need to be hidden from you.
  3. Updates to threads by an "ignored by you" user need to be hidden from you.
  4. The reputation system, used or not used by you, is still affected. Wouldn't this involve blocking their offering of reputation to you, and vice versa even though you won't be offering them same?
  5. Forum views would be affected, threads would need to be hidden from your view. Threads would need to be custom sorted for your view because their sorting priority is customized for you from them.
  6. The search engines results would have to customized for you. This just doesn't involve the Search menu, the Quick links to show ZRT or New Threads are basically custom searches from the aspect of finding by reply count or by date last replied too. Your request here causes customization of those default outputs
  7. This affects subscribed threads, you do not wish to see their posts or even know of the existence of their posts - well what about when someone quotes them? Forget the fact that you will potentially be able to tell that you missed a reply - and also what about the reply post numbering scheme?
To me a ton of this goes down to search results and cross referencing, as well as the capability to just "hide" information that you've deemed to be something you do not wish to see.

I'm fairly certain that forum development tools do exactly the opposite of what you wish to see.

Are you aware of any database tools which have this level of exclusivity on a per user basis which would fulfill your request?
 
  


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