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Old 04-23-2016, 09:25 AM   #31
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Thanks for the feedback. I can confirm that we haven't made any changes that would impact ads recently. I can also confirm that visiting LQ with uBlock Origin installed while not logged in doesn't show any ads. As always, logged in members with a few posts will never see ads.

--jeremy
@jeremy

Once again , you are dodging the issue.
You always give answers in terms of "ads seen by users " , but the truth is that "somebody" is making a truck load of money
by selling on the details of every single visitor to this site .

And it has NOTHING to do with ads .

There is ample proof if you want to see it ( but I'm guessing that you won't ! )

I've tested multiple visits , log-ins and postings to this forum today .

uBlock Origin is currently blocking 101 items from this site ( that's right - one hundred and one ) !!!!
No Script is set to Forbid Linuxquestions , and there are STILL at least 3 tracking cookies being used against visitors on every visit.

The OP is 100% correct , and ALL users deserve an honest answer .

Let me know if you want even more details and I will post them , including the tracking cookie info.
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Old 04-23-2016, 09:36 AM   #32
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Putting aside that we don't "sell the details" of *any* visitors to the site, what is the issue I'm dodging? Additionally, many of the scripts blocked in your count are javascript that run the site or analytics. The rest are indeed well marked ads shown only to visitors to ensure LQ is self sustainable. Absolutely no one is making a truck load of money.

--jeremy
 
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Old 04-23-2016, 09:45 AM   #33
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Jeremy,

On a non-related topic, can I borrow your truck?
 
Old 04-23-2016, 10:46 AM   #34
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Putting aside that we don't "sell the details" of *any* visitors to the site, what is the issue I'm dodging? Additionally, many of the scripts blocked in your count are javascript that run the site or analytics. The rest are indeed well marked ads shown only to visitors to ensure LQ is self sustainable. Absolutely no one is making a truck load of money.

--jeremy

Here's a similarly disingenuous reply from last September :-

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...rg-4175555682/

"We try to avoid advertisers who use tracking cookies, but on occasion some do slip though unfortunately. If you care about your privacy, and you should, the minimum step you should be taking is to set "Do Not Track" in your browser. Using one of the various addons/extensions is even better, and LQ will certainly work with any of them enabled. "

--jeremy


Could you detail exactly HOW you " try to avoid advertisers who use tracking cookies" ?

This attachment clearly shows the tracking cookies that get dumped on EVERY site visitor , member or not ,
and given the high number of site visits , the click-revenue alone must be massive ,
.... or maybe "they" just " slipped through" as well .

Do you want some MORE detail ?
.... the precise details of those tracking cookies for example ?
It might help other members if they know exactly what to search for.

@sundialsvcs

Right on guy !
you called it ..... and you are clearly a long time member with a very impressive post count
There is something going on here that STINKS !

I've been a member of dozens of forums , for more years than I could count , and I've NEVER
seen such aggressive and unblockable "harvesting" of members data .

Like everyone else , I join forums to read about the knowledge and experience of other members ,
and to contribute where I can .
But most of the members of this forum are probably unaware that most of their browsing info is being collected
and sold in a surreptitious manner.
I don't know of any other forum ( or ANY website for that matter ) that so relentlessly plants tracking cookies
in a way that bypasses all well-known methods of blocking.
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Old 04-23-2016, 11:00 AM   #35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chigurh View Post
Here's a similarly disingenuous reply from last September :-

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...rg-4175555682/

"We try to avoid advertisers who use tracking cookies, but on occasion some do slip though unfortunately. If you care about your privacy, and you should, the minimum step you should be taking is to set "Do Not Track" in your browser. Using one of the various addons/extensions is even better, and LQ will certainly work with any of them enabled. "

--jeremy

Could you detail exactly HOW you " try to avoid advertisers who use tracking cookies" ?
We have, and will continue to, avoid using (and stop using when we see them) advertisers who are deceptive, are malicious or try to track you when you explicitly try to avoid being tracked. That is why we now run our own ad server (so no advertiser has the ability to monitor you site wide) and why I explicitly suggest you use a privacy solution in the above thread. If you are logged in, the advertising script doesn't even get served to you.

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@sundialsvcs

Right on guy !
you called it ..... and you are clearly a long time member with a very impressive post count
There is something going on here that STINKS !

I've been a member of dozens of forums , for more years than I could count , and I've NEVER
seen such aggressive and unblockable "harvesting" of members data .

Like everyone else , I join forums to read about the knowledge and experience of other members ,
and to contribute where I can .
But most of the members of this forum are probably unaware that most of their browsing info is being collected
and sold in a surreptitious manner.
I don't know of any other forum ( or ANY website for that matter ) that so relentlessly plants tracking cookies
in a way that bypasses all well-known methods of blocking.
We ARE NOT "harvesting" member data, in any way. Full stop. Nor do we have any kind of unblockable *anything*. We do not attempt to bypass *ANY* method of blocking cookies. Nor do we sell ANY data in a surreptitious manner (or in any manner). I don't know how I can be more clear about it. At this point you are willingly spreading misinformation.

--jeremy
 
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Old 04-23-2016, 11:21 AM   #36
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At this point you are willingly spreading misinformation.

--jeremy
How so ?

Those 3 tracking cookies ( shown in my attachment ) get delivered on every visit to the site , logged in or not.
DoNotTrack does not prevent them , and nor does Ghostery , not even uBlock , even with the most aggressive settings.
None of the well- proven cleaners ( eg CCleaner ) , or browser add-ons ( eg Self -Destructing Cookies )will remove them.

Why is that ?

And other members have started to notice this .

Please explain to all the members here why you do not just eliminate those three .
 
Old 04-23-2016, 12:10 PM   #37
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We have, and will continue to, avoid using (and stop using when we see them) advertisers who are deceptive, are malicious or try to track you when you explicitly try to avoid being tracked.

--jeremy
If anyone reading this doubts what I say , here's something to try for any interested member :-

If you are using Firefox , for example , search your hard disk for this
..... APPDATA\ROAMING\MOZILLA\FIREFOX\PROFILES\5BR6XDQH.DEFAULT-1353496546002\COOKIES.SQLITE

or install SuperAntiSpyware ( free ) and it will find it for you , even on " quick scan "

This is where the rev.linuxquestions.org tracking cookie is hiding (along with others from this forum) and collecting your personal data

Last edited by chigurh; 04-23-2016 at 12:12 PM.
 
Old 04-23-2016, 12:19 PM   #38
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i have no issues with trackers on this site

Ad block plus is set to ALLOW this site
No-script only blocks "google-analytic" ( i block that EVERYWHERE )
and Seamonkey is set to only allow SESSION cookies


a rather simple set up
and NO issues

even when NOT loged in i see no ad's and no issues

chigurh
i suggest you CLEAR out your cookies and flash cookies ( ~./adobe/Flash_Player and ~./macromedia/Flash_Player )

and if you still NEED more
install the EFF's "privacy badger"

Last edited by John VV; 04-23-2016 at 12:24 PM.
 
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Old 04-23-2016, 12:21 PM   #39
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A script blocker is not necessarily an add blocker?

I only see most adds as a numbers in stop signs (not here) unless perhaps I allow scripts globally or logout...


best to just Y2K these things and garden fish and food.
 
Old 04-23-2016, 12:22 PM   #40
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Quote:
or install SuperAntiSpyware ( free ) and it will find it for you , even on " quick scan "
this is advertising to a MICROSOFT .exe !!!!!
and you have to buy this for $19.95

and this will LIKELY install the MALWARE!!!!!!
 
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Old 04-23-2016, 01:33 PM   #41
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The salient point here is this :-
Do you have the toxic and persistent rev.linuxquestions.org tracking cookie hidden in your system ?

1. Do you know for certain ?
2. Do you even care ?

And if you answer " No " to either question then you are probably equally as happy for " social-networking "
sites to make as much as they possibly can from selling your personal data to whoever wants to buy it.

Jeremy knows exactly what I'm talking about .

Last edited by chigurh; 04-23-2016 at 01:38 PM.
 
Old 04-23-2016, 01:36 PM   #42
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i do not have a "rev.linuxquestions.org" cookie

you might want to clear your browser on close
 
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Old 04-23-2016, 01:48 PM   #43
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Or ask RMS (Richard Matthew Stallman) what you should do...
 
Old 04-23-2016, 02:01 PM   #44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chigurh View Post
If anyone reading this doubts what I say , here's something to try for any interested member :-

If you are using Firefox , for example , search your hard disk for this
..... APPDATA\ROAMING\MOZILLA\FIREFOX\PROFILES\5BR6XDQH.DEFAULT-1353496546002\COOKIES.SQLITE

or install SuperAntiSpyware ( free ) and it will find it for you , even on " quick scan "

This is where the rev.linuxquestions.org tracking cookie is hiding (along with others from this forum) and collecting your personal data
I'm not sure why you're using the word "hiding" as that is the standard location for cookies under Windows to my knowledge. And as mentioned, rev.lq content is not served to logged in members.

--jeremy
 
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Old 04-23-2016, 02:07 PM   #45
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How so ?

Those 3 tracking cookies ( shown in my attachment ) get delivered on every visit to the site , logged in or not.
DoNotTrack does not prevent them , and nor does Ghostery , not even uBlock , even with the most aggressive settings.
rev.lq does not get served to logged in members. For non-logged in members, every ad blocker I tested blocked the request.

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None of the well- proven cleaners ( eg CCleaner ) , or browser add-ons ( eg Self -Destructing Cookies )will remove them.
Why is that ?
I have never heard of CCleaner, so I can not speak to that, but the cookies we set are standard cookies and can be deleted at any time and blocked via any mechanism you chose.

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Please explain to all the members here why you do not just eliminate those three .
I never stated we don't use cookies. We do. We even publish a P3P policy. What we do not do is use cookies to try to personally identify you and then track you. The rev.lq cookies have no concept of users and are anonymized. They are used for session information . Advertising cookies are never sent from the www.lq domain.

--jeremy
 
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