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Old 01-03-2017, 04:31 PM   #181
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It is? Being neither a Debian user...
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It's only the Debian installer that's beginner-unfriendly. And even then, it requires only patience.
I assume you've not had first hand experience?

But it's irrelevant. The Windows installers are not that user friendly either. As with any installer there are pitfalls and data can be lost if the end user has no basic knowledge of partitioning, etc. The debian-installer is designed to be comprehensive and simple, but as with installing any OS it's a sysadmin's task and dressing it up with a GUI and dumbing things down doesn't change that.

Debian has gotten simpler and simpler especially since the release of Debian 6. There has been more and more "automagic" to simplify things, much of this has fed back from ubuntu or other derivatives. And yes it's much easier to install than it used to be.
 
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Old 01-03-2017, 05:25 PM   #182
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I assume you've not had first hand experience?
Yes, but not recently. Last time I installed Debian was a few years ago.
 
Old 01-04-2017, 12:10 AM   #183
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People need to experience strange views and yes, even get offended occasionally and learn to survive conflict gracefully.
Except when it comes to anything involving Christianity, I've noticed. Not that I consider my views strange, mind you.

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Old 01-04-2017, 09:56 AM   #184
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You should start christianityquestions.org

And tell all the noobs to RTFB...
 
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Old 01-04-2017, 10:20 AM   #185
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Except when it comes to anything involving Christianity, I've noticed. Not that I consider my views strange, mind you.

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You should start christianityquestions.org

And tell all the noobs to RTFB...
Unfortunately, same comment.

Taking the "high road" people does not mean continuing to banter. Ardvark71, don't "re-start" things. Cynwulf, please restrain adding to it.

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Old 01-04-2017, 10:44 AM   #186
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I'm also Christian, but agree with this opinion that posting religious threads on a Linux forum is inappropriate--absurd, I would say.

However, I must say I was driven toward that perspective by the same behavior that makes me want to keep LQ a last resort. To wit, if members are capable of being rude in Linux-related threads, why would I ever want to participate in threads of a more controversial nature? I would expect more blatant abuse in threads on religion or politics, but I would consider it my fault to some extent for posting to them in the first place.
 
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:25 AM   #187
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Cynwulf, please restrain adding to it.
Received and understood.
 
Old 01-04-2017, 06:35 PM   #188
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There is a conclusion I came to a few months ago relating to this problem. I hesitated to mention it because it's only a suspicion about some members' attitudes that would be impossible to prove. But perhaps others had the same thought--this thread is 13 pages long and I haven't even tried reading every one yet. Besides, my conclusion is fairly obvious and easy to come to.

I believe that some members see LQ as much a clubby hangout as a mere information exchange. If that's the case, it's an attitude undoubtedly endemic to all popular discussion forums. This is one of two forums I have visited for years or used to visit. The other is for my local sports team, and in that sphere of interest, the attitudes and behavior we're discussing (rudeness, excessive sarcasm, taunting, displays of arrogance) are more prevalent--much more, really; so naturally, the problem is much worse there than on LQ, and won't change, because the culture accepts it. There's no rule against treating LQ as a hangout (of course not--it's unenforceable); but it could be helpful to discourage that attitude if you want to discourage rude behavior.
 
Old 01-05-2017, 01:52 AM   #189
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I believe that some members see LQ as much a clubby hangout as a mere information exchange. If that's the case, it's an attitude undoubtedly endemic to all popular discussion forums. This is one of two forums I have visited for years or used to visit. The other is for my local sports team, and in that sphere of interest, the attitudes and behavior we're discussing (rudeness, excessive sarcasm, taunting, displays of arrogance) are more prevalent--much more, really; so naturally, the problem is much worse there than on LQ, and won't change, because the culture accepts it. There's no rule against treating LQ as a hangout (of course not--it's unenforceable); but it could be helpful to discourage that attitude if you want to discourage rude behavior.
I'm probably one of those you are talking about. Yes, I do see LQ as my social networking site. I don't want to go on Facebook or Twitter because everything I have ever heard and read about those places suggests that they are full of idiots, bullies and trolls. I like to have interesting conversations with intellectual equals and you are more likely to find them at Linux forums like this one. But I don't think that makes me more prone to ranting and taunting than most other people here.

One reason why you are likely to find more of this sort of loutish behaviour in overtly social forums may be because they are more likely to attract the sort of dim-witted people who think that kind of thing is funny or clever.

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Old 01-05-2017, 04:52 AM   #190
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There is a conclusion I came to a few months ago relating to this problem. I hesitated to mention it because it's only a suspicion about some members' attitudes that would be impossible to prove. But perhaps others had the same thought--this thread is 13 pages long and I haven't even tried reading every one yet. Besides, my conclusion is fairly obvious and easy to come to.

I believe that some members see LQ as much a clubby hangout as a mere information exchange.
It's both.

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There's no rule against treating LQ as a hangout (of course not--it's unenforceable); but it could be helpful to discourage that attitude if you want to discourage rude behavior.
I think that's, in a way, similar to your comment about the social skills of programmers. The place being a hangout should have no bearing on how sugar coated/rude responses to technical questions are. I've seen far more abrasive and condescending replies and a lot more arrogance on sites which are purely "questions and answers" focused and employ the vote/up down system. These sites are much more impersonal and much more focused on point scoring.

Same goes for mailing lists, this place is warm and fuzzy by comparison to some of those.

If anything, the LQ approach provides for more of a "community" feel, which should mean new users are much more welcome.

If you're reluctant to post and have received some sharp replies in the past, well that's a shame, but I suggest that it perhaps applies to your individual case and is not an indicator that the forum as a whole has a problem.
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 03:42 AM   #191
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Except when it comes to anything involving Christianity, I've noticed. Not that I consider my views strange, mind you.

Regards...
While personally I don't have any problem with people who wish to believe in Christianity (or any other faith, for that matter), I do not believe in pushing one's religious believes onto others. So saying the above quote to me is a bit like saying "you can say want you want but, Christianity is off-limits". Sorry advark71 but, you need to accept that not everyone agrees with your believes.

In genral to answer (or at least try to anyway) Jeremy's question, while I do agree that, LQ is namely a technical forum, I think there should be a forum here where by non-Linux topics should be able to be talked about. As I think it goes to the social aspect of LQ, maybe a better idea would be, that mod's can "approve" posts before they go up in the first place and/or LQ users that abuse other members in it, get banned from it instead.
 
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