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Old 08-24-2008, 05:21 PM   #1
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Desktop Topic subforums?


You have various distros split into subforums, and you have split kernel and gaming. All of this is nice in my opinion. Ive found that often i might have a desktop manager issue specific to say KDE and throwing that into the general Desktop topic just seems cluttery to me. In an effort to keep things from getting too cluttered and because sometimes im just not sure what topic best relates to a question, would it be possible or desirable to have desktop\window manager specific forum topics? Basically id just like to see the Linux-Desktop forum split for KDE, Gnome, Fluxbox, ICE, etc. There are a few choices out there just as there are many distros, so maybe even just top 5 or 10, with an "other" for whatever is left?
 
Old 08-25-2008, 10:06 AM   #2
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I agree -- KDE, Gnome, XFCE, Fluxbox, ICE, & Other at a minimum. The parent would remain for General & "I don't know where this should go".

I never go to the Desktop forum & certainly have no intention of subscribing to it, exactly because of the clutter you mention. If there were a KDE sub-forum, I would subscribe to it in a New York heartbeat.

I don't know how others interact w/ LQ. For me, the entry point is my set of (e-mail) subscriptions: 0-reply threads, MEPIS, & LQ S&F (this). I have used MEPIS as my OS & KDE as my desktop, exclusively since May '05. I can help w/ KDE problems. I could go looking for KDE Q's to help w/ by searching the Desktop forum for "KDE" every day, I could probably even again figure out how to embed that search in a bookmark (the displayed URL of an LQ search uses an id=tag & is not permanent). Both are more hassle than I care to go through, so I look at & answer way fewer KDE Q's than I would if it had its own sub-forum. Call me lazy if you like, but my comfort zone is to start w/ an e-mail & open the links for threads that look interesting.


I have seen requests like this in past & I doubt it will get implemented. I believe it's that jeremy has a different view of information organization efficiency than you or I. One of the problems that we are not considering is maintaining the structure in the face of unfamiliarity, haste, ignorance, confusion, carelessness, & occasional stupidity. All these are possible reasons that folks will post in the wrong one of these proposed sub-fora & cleaning up after them is an additional burden that someone, i.e. the mods, will have to shoulder. While I doubt it would happen, it's something I would be willing to help w/.

Let's see what the official response is.
 
Old 08-25-2008, 10:17 AM   #3
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The number of forums and subforums is probably as much art as it is science, and it's definitely something we take seriously at LQ. One of the many items we look at when making these kinds of decisions is what I'll call post density. Looking at Linux - Desktop now, the default view shows over 10 days worth of posts on the first page. At that density I don't think adding an additional subforum would be very beneficial. The question them becomes, would having a "Desktop Environment and Window Manager" subforum of "Linux - Desktop" really be a driver for significantly more posts on the topic, or would it substantially improve the LQ user experience. I'm open to feedback, but at this point don't think there's sufficient reason for a new forum here.

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BTW, what I think we're really running into here is a "paradox of choice" situation. On the face of it, you'd think having more forum and subforums to choose from is going to make picking one easier. After all, you'll have one that almost *exactly* matches the topic you're posting about. While good in theory, in practice the choices quickly become overwhelming...and you'd be surprised how many people simply won't post at all, for fear they're posting in the wrong place.

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Old 08-25-2008, 11:39 AM   #5
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Alright, I can understand your reasoning especially the post density point you made. I don't want to needlessly create more work for those at LQ to deal with. You know the workings of this site much better than I do. All I can say is that maybe some of the reason the density on those topics is low is because people just don't know where to ask what question. Depending on feedback here, would you be willing to try KDE and Gnome subforums since they are probably the two most popular and see how that seems to work? I know there a lot of other DMs that are very popular and I'm not trying to snub any but for now those two might be good indicators, if implemented, to see if other similar subforums would be worthwhile.
I can survive if it stays the way it is and use the search but imo it would be easier and more efficient if KDE issues were all in one place, especially while im fiddling with 4.1.
 
Old 08-25-2008, 01:16 PM   #6
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I think a lot of the existing forums can be merged rather than split, but I hesitate to make suggestions lest I seem to be presumptuous.
 
Old 08-27-2008, 12:24 PM   #7
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Topic Headers, then?

After reading a few other similar requests regarding the splitting of certain topics, it just seems that LQ does not like splitting forum topics. They have based that on several good reasons that wouldn't affect the user but do relate to things they have to worry about.
So if splitting of forums isn't an option, I was wondering if a drop down menu selection appearing near the "Title" area when you make a reply with various options like "this relates to: KDE, or Gnome, or Editors" or whatever could be done? It would make searching easier at least. Obviously it would just be nice to skip all that and expect people to use clear and precise subject headers but.. well people don't. Instead we get "I dont have sound", or "Help!!!!111". Probably thats even more work, but heck, I wanted to ask at least.
 
Old 08-27-2008, 12:32 PM   #8
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That's one of the uses of the tag system. You could post to Software and tag it KDE, Amarok or whatever - as an example. Ideally, the forum would not matter that much because the tag system would contain enough information to allow it to be categorised. As it stands, there is considerable misuse of the tag system - mainly because it's not, imo, that intuitive and because no one reads the instructions - Jeremy does have plans to make changes to the tag system in a future update which should address that.

I think having it be freehand rather than restricted to a dropdown makes more sense. There are so many different package and hardware combinations that using dropdowns would be too restrictive. Having the full number of dropdowns would make it unusable.
 
  


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