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Old 09-07-2005, 05:40 AM   #1
vharishankar
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Ban all political threads for good


Yes, please. This forum is becoming a seriously unpleasant place and a turn-off for those like me who frequent the "General" forum for pleasant discussions. Let's have no more politics, please...

I have already protested against a member's particularly vituperative personal attack now and I believe that we need a serious policy to block politics from being discussed.

It's a pity, because I love political discussions myself, but seriously when some members come across as 11 year olds, it becomes very hard to meaningfully talk about anything...

So with great regret, I ask that we have a policy to stop/close political discussions in this forum because it is a real turn off to intelligent people and inevitably politics lead to flaming and/or trolling...

Thank you.
 
Old 09-07-2005, 06:50 AM   #2
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Sorry that these threads have gotten you so bothered. I haven't seen a
single one of them. However, politics and religion seem to be topics which
people in group A take very seriously, as do people in group B; however,
neither group seems to be able to tolerate the opinion of the other.

As has been suggested before, you might just ignore them. It was my
opinion from what I've read officially on this website, that this forum is
the cesspool for such threads, is it not?

Last edited by Bruce Hill; 09-07-2005 at 06:52 AM.
 
Old 09-07-2005, 06:57 AM   #3
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Yes, I ignore them mostly. That wasn't my point. It was just that these personal attacks and vituperative attacks against other nationalities that got me all worked up. Almost every political thread here seems to have some kind of personal attack or the other.

Again I was just saying that it is a *big* turn-off to me whenever I drop in here and want to relax in "General"...
 
Old 09-07-2005, 07:02 AM   #4
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I would hate to see political discussion banned outright .....

I'm not sure what the solution is, politics seems destined to bring out the passion in some people, while others see it as a perfect trolling ground.

Maybe Jeremy needs to make an appearance and issue a few "pull-yer-head-in"s
( that's Oz for friendly warning, eg pull-yer-head-in before I smash ya ) to the main offenders.

floppy
 
Old 09-07-2005, 07:21 AM   #5
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I still think that the General should be used only for things related to computers, games and technology _only_. This is a technical forum after all. Or we could have a forum for anything related to Technology and a REAL "Off-Topic" one, so I would never need to click on Off-Topic link, ever, but I am often on the General here because I like to see Windows related threads or things like that...
 
Old 09-07-2005, 08:31 AM   #6
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Quote:
Originally posted by Harishankar
Yes, I ignore them mostly. That wasn't my point. It was just that these personal attacks and vituperative attacks against other nationalities that got me all worked up. Almost every political thread here seems to have some kind of personal attack or the other.

Again I was just saying that it is a *big* turn-off to me whenever I drop in here and want to relax in "General"...
I thought we had moderators to enforce the rules and take care of such
scathing remarks. That is their job, after all, and I see them enforcing
the rules fairly well when violations are reported. Seems like perhaps
when one user makes a habit of this that they should be banned. But
that's up to Jeremy, ultimately.

I want name moderators, for you've been around here long enough
to know, but there are some who will squash such immaturity, and
others who just let the mud fly. I think it's personal taste, or lack
thereof. Some would shut General down, given the option.

As we're pointing out, that forum is the breeding ground and landing
zone for silly nonsense.



LQ has a really good balance, IMO, and I like the fact that in a forum
you can just ignore trash, and even unsubscribe from the thread. If
you want a real taste of immaturity, and vituperative attacks, open
your X-chat ... in irc.freenode.net ... and /join ##slackware, or go to
/join #linux or check out effnet or whatever.

Hey, I almost forgot, but you can totally ignore users posts here.
 
Old 09-07-2005, 03:52 PM   #7
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My 2 cents - I think that trying to ban political topics would be next to impossible to do, because "politics" is a very broad term, and potentially could intersect with discussions about government, law, public policy, international relations, economics, trade, current events, etc, etc, etc, which are all valid topics for discussion but which also could have some connection to politics. Certainly there is no argument that from time to time a political discussion will go off the rails and end up being a flame war, however, in terms of percentages, their numbers are very, very tiny compared to the overall number of threads here at LQ. (If you do see a thread that you feel violates the LQ Rules, please report it, and one of the mods of that forum will review it the next time he/she logs in.)

Overall I'd echo the point that Megaman X made, namely that LQ is a Linux forum, and is not particularly suited to host political debates. (There are plenty of other websites that are designed for that function, and I would encourage folks who have an interest in serious/intense political discussions to check them out.) More than anything though, I think it's important to keep in mind that the decision to participate in a given discussion is at each member's discretion. No one is forcing anyone else into entering a thread, and if the topic being discussed pushes your buttons, then it's probably best to just ignore it and move to the next thread.

Personally, I happen to agree that some political threads get more controversial than needed, however, it's also true that there have been a number of interesting, civil, and thought-provoking threads that more than make up for the problem threads. Sometimes you've just got to take the bad with the good. -- J.W.
 
Old 09-07-2005, 04:34 PM   #8
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I think that it is enlightening to see the political views of those that you respect as Linux users. I do not have to respond to any threads at all --- my responses are my choice and so are yours. I can stop reading and so can you. In a social environment, eg a pub, I would just walk away from idiotic ranting or I would engage if I felt sufficiently riled. "General" exists as an off-topic forum and that's what it should be. If you find something offensive, express your views and/or complain to a moderator. *Your* views may be echoed and something may be done. And maybe not. And don't argue with me --- England lost against Northern Ireland tonight and I am really riled.
Megaman X :::::: say nothing. You were right the first time!
 
Old 09-07-2005, 05:35 PM   #9
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Don't read them - don't get riled up over them.

I stay away from them. If I want to discuss politics I will join a political forum, not a linux forum.
 
Old 09-07-2005, 07:37 PM   #10
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Maybe not starting them would help ...

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hreadid=357226
 
Old 09-07-2005, 08:30 PM   #11
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Quote:
Maybe not starting them would help ...
How very clever of you to point fingers at me. Makes you look real smart. Congratulations

My objection to any particular political thread is based on members' reaction to it (and not in the thread you mentioned either. That was a particularly good one I think. All members have been civil). Not the topic itself. In fact, I really like to discuss politics as I mentioned before...

The topic of discussion itself doesn't matter. However, some people insist upon hijacking civil and serious political discussions for their own ends.

I really like to discuss politics, but is there any way we can keep all that name-calling and personal insults away?
 
Old 09-07-2005, 08:37 PM   #12
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Originally posted by Harishankar
I really like to discuss politics, but is there any way we can keep all that name-calling and personal insults away?
Not that I can think of.
 
Old 09-07-2005, 08:47 PM   #13
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Re: Ban all political threads for good

Quote:
Originally posted by Harishankar
Yes, please. This forum is becoming a seriously unpleasant place and a turn-off for those like me who frequent the "General" forum for pleasant discussions. Let's have no more politics, please...

I have already protested against a member's particularly vituperative personal attack now and I believe that we need a serious policy to block politics from being discussed.

It's a pity, because I love political discussions myself, but seriously when some members come across as 11 year olds, it becomes very hard to meaningfully talk about anything...

So with great regret, I ask that we have a policy to stop/close political discussions in this forum because it is a real turn off to intelligent people and inevitably politics lead to flaming and/or trolling...

Thank you.
Hari,

I must interject into this thread because, thankfully, the offending thread has been closed. Fortunately it can still be viewed; and if you have viewed the entire thread you'll have seen that I had already apologized for my attitute prior to the vituperative post you then directed at me.

Now i will apologize directly and personally to you, as my comment referring to India was in very poor taste and way out of line. I absolutely understand your taking offence, I apologize, and regret the words.

I hope you can understand that the entire thread of discussion was filled with personal attacks on the part of many, and a good few were directed at me. In actual fact I had asked for a moderator to close the thread.

Perhaps i've become too sensitive after hearing and re-hearing and re-hearing the same crass anti-american statments made over and over again.

Regards,
Danimalz
 
Old 09-07-2005, 08:51 PM   #14
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Originally posted by Harishankar
How very clever of you to point fingers at me. Makes you look real smart. Congratulations
Simply making an observation. Don't really care how I look.
Political discusions are passionate by nature. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. That's the point I'm making here.

Quote:
Originally posted by Harishankar
My objection to any particular political thread is based on members' reaction to it (and not in the thread you mentioned either. That was a particularly good one I think. All members have been civil). Not the topic itself. In fact, I really like to discuss politics as I mentioned before...
So, what your saying is that political discussions are OK so long as everyone agrees with you...

Quote:
Originally posted by Harishankar
The topic of discussion itself doesn't matter. However, some people insist upon hijacking civil and serious political discussions for their own ends.

I really like to discuss politics, but is there any way we can keep all that name-calling and personal insults away?
This is a public forum. People will do what they will. If you choose use this - or any forum/newsgroup - as your soapbox, I would suggest growing a thicker skin.

Or avoiding politics in general.

Have a nice day.
 
Old 09-07-2005, 08:57 PM   #15
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Yes. danimalz, that was very good of you to come out in public like this. Shows up in good spirit. I myself felt that certain topics have been far too often in this forum of late...

I am trying to analyze this phenomenon and I must say that LQ seems to be not quite the place to discuss politics. I have seen plenty of good political discussions on other forums, but somehow at LQ, a lot of them seem to be destined for the trash bin. I am still trying to figure out why LQ seems to be so heated when it comes to politics.

Maybe we just got to accept that as a tech forum, we do tend to attract a lot of young people (below 15 for example) and maybe politics tends to attract a lot of extreme reactions because the average age of the member-base is low. There is a difference between 30 year old and 20 year olds discussing politics, I think... sometimes frustration seems to be inevitable.

Maybe it's just because there are too many different kinds of people here from different parts of the world with different agendas...

But I have closed that incident in any case. I can understand how sometimes we react in the heat of the moment and I read your apology to the moderator as well.

I would hate to destroy friendships formed in this forum simply because I want to defend a leader or a political argument... it's simply not worth it.

Hopefully we can get along better in the future!
 
  


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