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Old 10-05-2005, 04:26 PM   #1
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balanced stories

It's easy for anybody to come across this site and think it's a den of salivating linux converters, waiting for the next victim to roll in and say "I is got a spyware problim on mi windiz" and rapidly turn him into a militant pro-linux activist using whatever methods, ehem..., you guys usually use ...

So in the interests of giving a mere hint of balance to the site, I suggest, along the "Member Success Stories" to have a "Member Sob Stories" section.

This would allow people to write to complain about how they never got things working at all in linux.

Now, if one of those clever guys (spoilers ) came over and solved the problem in a flash, there should be a rule that the sob story should not be retired or transferred to the success stories. It should be a bona fide "Yes, well, I was unhappy with linux once"-type forum.

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Old 10-05-2005, 04:31 PM   #2
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Maybe in the next forum update...
Old 10-06-2005, 05:18 AM   #3
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Well, I'd say "sob stories" would really end up being questions, that would be appropriate in a current existing forum (ie. a sob story about a NIC would go in Linux - Networking). A general place for all sobs would quickly become unruly with the amount of traffic we get.

Old 10-07-2005, 12:18 AM   #4
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My 2 cents - a "sob stories" forum would sort of be like hanging out with your grandparents and their friends, listening to them complain about how their hip has been bothering them lately, or that the current medication they're on gives them headaches, or that they need to make another doctor's appointment because during their last visit they found out that their cholesterol and triglyceride levels were too high. Gaaah!! - no thanks.

More seriously, I don't see how a sob stories forum would produce any meaningful benefits - after all, people come to LQ to find solutions, and to support Linux. A series of complaints and whines just isn't relevant. Just my opinion -- J.W.
Old 10-07-2005, 01:14 AM   #5
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I think a sob stories would only open the door to more "Microsoft vs Linux" type threads.. ughh!
Old 10-16-2005, 09:23 PM   #6
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Sounds like flame-bait to me.

But it would be nice to see an actual subforum to stick linux complaints in. Maybe clean up the crap and keep it in one place?

any kind of linux vs microsoft thread should be deleted immediantly. They are worse than arguing about global warming, politics, or religion. A loosing downhill battle of who can post the most rants in, before the lock.

Im not sure about the members of this forum. Some other forums do have a section like what was mentioned, but its useless if members are childish and start trolling, flaming, name calling, and thread crapping. Some forums seem good, I hope this forum would be the same.
Old 10-16-2005, 09:44 PM   #7
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most MS vs L threads are closed as soon as they get reported and/or the mod sees them.

general is our worst forum for flames- it's where members can let thier hair out a little. However the mods do keep a fairly tight reign there aswell. Stay out of it if you don't like that kind of stuff- the forum is, I believe, the best on the web. but then, I enjoy hanging out here.

Old 10-19-2005, 10:54 PM   #8
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This forum is indeed one of the best computer related forums I have been to. Nothing I have seen can compare to it.

But, its not the forum thats great. Anyone can do and download Vbulliten, Yabb, or something similar and make an identical copy of this forums structure. No, the forum does not matter. Its the people that matter and make the forum what it is. Aside from all of the bad things that could come of this sob-story section, there could be one good part:

If the member has given up, and called it quits, it would make it a lot easier for anyone else who is bored enough to read, to figure out what may be the problem. And I don't mean to use this as a way to help the users, but mainly finding the users problem and letting others see what they may have done wrong.

The point of the success stories section is probably to show what people have done and used linux for, and how easy it was for them. If I wanted to setup a certain distro on a weird hardware configuration to edit video or play games, I bet that I could easily find a few threads by users who have done something very similar to what I want to do, and think to myself "wow, it looks easy, I guess I should try it then".

But we have no dedicated subsection to put all of the soapbox related stories or linux installation failures. Ive been here for two years, I'm sure most of the members here wouldn't cause any problems. Before we rush out and buy hardware, maybe it would be best to look and see if anyone has had problems with certain video tuner cards, sound cards, modems etc...

Linux is like Lego's. There are probably millions of different ways you can put it together, but sometimes the pieces wont fit right and end up causing a big headache.

Real life example:

I'm interested in cars, computers, and nothing else. When I not messing with linux or playing games in windows, I'm messing with cars. Its very helpful to have forums to review car performance parts and say "oh yeah it worked great, bolted right in no problem!". But that only covers part of it. Only having a success story section is like pulling the wool over someones eyes. Things, in reality, don't work 100% perfectly all the time.

Thats why I feel much better reading a site that allows negative and positive reviews, organized into two sections. I can read about some guy who said it wouldn't work because his aircontitioner was in the way, and had to drill a new bolt hole. I can read about some dummy who is angrily pounding away on the keyboard and ignore that post. I can also read about how something needed a shim or different sized bolt that was never included in the kit.

You can always choose to ignore the negative forum, or not. Depends on the people. But I really do think, with the right attitude, this type of subforum can be productive to helping people with linux.

Did that make any sense for anyone else? Sometimes I'm really bad at putting my thoughts into words .

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Old 10-20-2005, 02:38 PM   #9
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Originally posted by abcdefg
Anyone can do and download Vbulliten, Yabb, or something similar and make an identical copy of this forums structure.
This forum is an extremely modified and hacked version of the software. Jeremy has been reworking it almost since day one.

But otherwise I agree with your post


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