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Old 07-04-2008, 05:37 PM   #16
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I wasn't aware you could uninstall WMP... I thought it would be like I.E. Microsoft could claim that "WMP is Windows."

I'm not sure if you're reading the replies here, but if this is going to be more like a blog, why not just get a blog? Forums are for... well... having a forum - an assembly where people can meet and discuss things.

There are plenty of free blogspaces such as Blogspot, Wordpress and many more. But in either event, I would hope you're reading replies. Some of them can be quite useful.

I haven't used Fedora Core since version 5, but if you're using a USB keyboard, try holding down shift. Later when you install FC9 on your hard drive, you can edit /boot/grub/grub.conf with edd="skipmbr" in the kernel line.
Source: Fedora Project
Seeing as how you'll be using fedora, I'd like to point out some resources I used back when I was trucking it:
I was trying to look for, but it seems as though that site is no longer available. Which is a shame because it was a great installation guide, I thought.
Old 07-04-2008, 05:43 PM   #17
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I have several blogs. The general idea was to give others who are thinking about the same choice as I've made to read about the experience of someone who's actually doing it. In addition, I wanted the ideas of this community to get some new perspectives on OSS. I've already tried out a couple of the ideas that these folks have proposed. In addition, posting here gives people the chance to find this thread, and compare their OSS choices to mine, as opposed to howling in the cyberwilderness. As of right now, I'm stuck trying to figure out why the Fedora live cds won't boot on my machine. I've already googled the Fedora FAQs and the forum; they are hopelessly technical and rely on someone already knowing command-line. They also seem to assume that people using Fedora or installing it for the first time are switching from one brand of Linux to another, and WANT to know all the technical stuff. I want a GUI, man.
Old 07-05-2008, 06:16 PM   #18
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When you d/l a Linux distro liveCD or liveDVD, it should become standart practice to run md5sum on the .iso when download is complete, and compare that md5sum to the md5sum at the website from which you downloaded the .iso. If the md5sums are different, you have a corrupted download.

If you are having problems with Fedora, there are many other liveCD distros you could try. Go to Click on the Search word in the banner. Scroll down a bit, and in the Category drop-down list box, choose liveCD. In the resultant screen, scroll down for a list of liveCD/DVD distros you can try.

Alternative to Fedora (rpm based distros - .rpm is the package format in case you didn't know): CentOS (RedHat Enterprise without the cost of buying RHE), Mandriva, PCLinuxOS, and openSUSE.

There are other good distros, which use other package formats, such as Debian-based distros (Knoppix, Kanotix, Ubuntu).

And you could also try source-code based distros, chief among them are Linux From Scratch and Slackware.

As a sys-admin type, there are several distros devoted to system forensics, intrusion detection, etc. that might interest you.

For teaching/learning purposes, there is Damn Vulnerable Linux, which is purposely crippled in many ways. Your job is to find and fix the problems.

In summation, GNU/Linux is all about choice. There are many choices available. You can choose to compile from source code or choose pre-compiled packages for your distro of choice. There are even tools to install packages made for one format o system which uses another format (alien, checkinstall, and encap come to mind).

Enjoy the journey into GNU/Linux.

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Old 07-06-2008, 11:30 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by bigrigdriver View Post
And you could also try source-code based distros, chief among them are Linux From Scratch and Slackware.
Slackware can not be compared to LFS and is no where near being source based. LFS leaves you with a minimal system and it is completely up to you to take it from there, with or without the help of the beyond LFS book, while slackware has a very complete base install and during the installation itself you don't need to compile anything. In LFS, you compile everything from sources. The packages in slackware (.tgz) are usually not sources but binaries. In LFS, there is no packagemanagement (unless you so choose to build), in Slackware there obviously is a package manager, although you are responsible of resolving dependencies yourself.

Chief among the source based distros are LFS, Gentoo and Source mage to name a few.

About Slack's package management:
Old 07-08-2008, 03:44 PM   #20
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I don't know what hardware you are trying the liveCD with, but sound like a bad burn. The live Fedora CD should go right to a selection menu. I've had similar results from a bad burn.

Old 07-08-2008, 06:51 PM   #21
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Thanks for the tips on the bad burn. I'm going to try to reburn the live disk with more buffer and at a slower speed to see what happens.

While I'm at it; I've searched the site to find out more about switching my mobile OS or possibly purchasing a new phone to match my new configuration. Right now, I have a T-Mobile MDA running Windows Mobile 5. As I'll be moving to Kontact, I'd like to know what other phones people have used to sync with Kontact? Things I absolutely HAVE to have on my mobile unit:

(1) Contacts, calendar, notes, email, tasks (Outlook/Kontact stuff)
(2) texting
(3) IMing
(4) an ebook reader
(5) a PDF reader
(6) a weather application
(7) an internet browser
(8) a camera
(9) a calculator
(10) access to my OpenOffice documents
(11) GoogleMaps
(12) a terminal or capacity to PUTTY into my home server
(13) voice commands
(14) a media player for audio and video

My current phone has all this stuff, and the ability to download and install programs remotely over the internet. What phones can I do this with in Fedora/Kontact?
Old 07-08-2008, 10:42 PM   #22
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Whao, that was some big-time changing. You say you're a wench but that's serious girlie downsizing. Like kicking off the Jimmy Choo's and stuffing your feet into something from WalMart.

(Only guessin, by the way; I'm assuming you're from a land where the WalMart reference will have some relevance.)

It's a shot in the dark, but anyway...

...mighty glad you've make the move. And it sounds as though you were deeper into Windows than I ever was.

What's this Diet stuff for example? And EndNote, Finale, PG Music, and Teach Me Piano Deluxe?

Low on calories, but big on music, by the sound of it.

It would appear you've been trying to ditch Windows apps and replace them with OSS alternatives one by one but still keeping the original XP core...before moving on to your new "monster" rig.

As you're a sysadmin, who presumably knows how to swap/add HDs etc, why don't you just leave XP virgo intacto on one drive, install Linux (with all the onboard apps + repos) on another hard drive and see which you like best?

As bigrig says, by the way, you don't have to get stuck on fedora. There are loads of alternatives. I love ubuntu, but I'm forever changing distros on my spare machines. And fedora's good, but so's Puppy, Mandriva and a whole load of others.

If the burning's not working out, try another distro - and make extra sure you're burning to a CD-R disc. A lot of distros/drives don't like anything else, as I've found out many times when I've stuck in a blank without looking.

But, Regina (yep, I understand Latin), keep unadulterated XP on one drive/partition and install Linux on another, scour the repos for everything extra you need and then decide which you like best.

Almost everything will work in Linux. My Nokia talks to my PC via bluetooth, for example; my mp3 player hooks up no problem; OpenOffice and Microsoft Office are totally interchangeable, and so on.

Once you've done a real-life evaluation of XP -v- Linux, I'm sure you'll toss the parrot from your shoulder, tear off the eye-patch and walk the plank to a better world.

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Old 07-08-2008, 10:59 PM   #23
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I'm really enjoying this thread, having stumbled-upon it.

Keep workin' it, keep writing your experiences the way you do. Lots of gals and guys are out there trying to do what you're doing, or at least they're thinking about it. It's g-r-e-a-t that you're plunging in ... and writing very, very well about it.
Old 07-09-2008, 01:44 AM   #24
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Yep Regina, keep up the good work. I'm sure it will be a success eventually.
Incidentally, here's a good MS v Linux comparison:
Just a short read, but nicely explains that a (slightly) different mindset is needed for Linux.
Also, a good list (here at LQ) of MS equiv apps on Linux:

HTH & welcome to LQ
Old 07-09-2008, 09:03 PM   #25
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Any opinions out there on KDE working better with Ubuntu or Fedora? I should tell you; though I want all my nifty goodies and syncing to boot, what I actually USE my machine for is hardcore Java programming, with a possible future second purpose of database management.

Also, somebody PLEEZ tell me that Assassin's Creed works with WINE or whatever; their AppDB is unclear about what I have to do to get it working. The whole point of my box upgrade is so I can run stuff faster (and that means my nifty games, kiddies!!).

Thanks for the encouragement, Red John!!

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Old 07-11-2008, 05:59 PM   #26
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Hi, I'm not a huge WINE fan and if I need to use Windows stuff I head into VirtualBox, an excellent emulator.

Like you, I jumped ship from Windows to Linux. The clincher for me was that loads of software I'd paid for (that's, like, bought with my money stopped working when I upgraded to Vista.

Microsoft can talk as much as they like about compatibility wizards and so on, but the basic fact is that they don't work. Hardly any of my games I enjoyed on XP would work on Vista.

That was bad enough, but nor would a lot of my important productivity apps, like the hugely expensive SPSS (a stats program), Quark XPress (page design software important in my working-from-home job) and the Pinnacle DV editing suite.

I hadn't pirated this stuff. I owned it. But Vista's compatibility wizard said No.

I have found FOSS alternatives for some software (R is a reasonable replacement for SPSS, for example), but the time lost in having to learn new progs which may or may not be viable workplace alternatives is a pain.

Scribus, for example, is nowhere near to the Quark standard, although it's excellent for those without precision demands. Gimp, however, betters Photoshop in many ways.

The way round it is to use something like VirtualBox (plenty of alternatives out there), to create a virtual windows environment that allows you to run all your "can't-do-without" stuff.

It's a compromise but what the heck. I've got SPSS and Quark XPress running again.

Virtual solutions, though, are not so brilliant on games, where the graphics issue comes into play. It's there that you're relying on wine and hoping that someone values the game highly enough to make it work.

But even if a game doesn't work in wine, don't blame Linux. I bought an apparently brilliant game called Fahrenheit (if you're in the US I think it's called Indigo-something-or-other), which won't run on any of my machines.

I despise Atari for selling a game that doesn't work on Vista and requires a patch to make it run on XP - which it doesn't anyway. I've tried every possible configuration (memory, processor, graphics) and it'll still install but not run.

Games are always a bit freaky on PCs, but IMHO Atari are scum for selling this. And no, I can't get it to run in wine.

Apologies, I'm getting sidetracked. You can run all your crucial Windows apps in VirtualBox if they're indispensable but wine is probably a better bet for games. I'd be surprised if as popular a game as Assassin's Creed isn't well supported by now.

Keep goin' girl, you're nearly there.

And steer clear of anything from Atari!

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Old 07-11-2008, 09:58 PM   #27
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My peeps use R, though I generally figure that if I can't do the stats by hand (or in Java), I probably don't understand it well enough to publish on the results anyway.

I've used SPSS before, but since they went to v. 14 I haven't been as thrilled with the interface. Here's a more important question: does anyone have an opinion on how well Mathematica works in, say, Ubuntu? I always screw up my integrals, so it's easier to do in an M notebook.
Old 07-11-2008, 11:17 PM   #28
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VirtualBox is good. Also check out Cedega (never used it, heard it was good).

Nice computer you got there, but I'll stick with mine ;-D

Specs below. Haven't updated drive capacity yet. Got 3 SCSI drives on the way. It was build to be a server. The RAM costs $600 - $1200 a piece, thank God I didn't pay for it

BTW - Not saying mine's faster by any means, but it has more sentimental value for me as well. lol
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There seem to be a few issues running Mathematica in Ubuntu, but there are fixes and workarounds available
Old 07-18-2008, 02:40 PM   #30
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Assassin's creed does seem to "work" through wine if you're lucky:

But I think it's just another crappy ubisoft game, they used to make good games but not anymore


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