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Old 05-20-2003, 11:56 PM   #1
high_on_coffee
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just saying...hello!


thought i would get my first post out of the way by saying hi. heh. can you believe i'm nervous about being a newbie?

i've played with Red Hat Linux 7/8/9 for the past year or so. i think i know the basics. i could be mistaken! mostly, joined because i'm having problems setting up a home network with Linux machines and need help.

question : well, maybe more of a thought. i HATE command line (is that the technical term?). i don't understand it, it confuses me, and i'd rather not use it. BUT, that doesn't seem to be an option with any version of Linux. maybe it's because i'm young and grew up with Windows/Mac computers. i don't even know DOS commands. at this point, my favorite command is "startx". maybe i'll just be told i have to get used to it, but if someone could point me in the direction of a place that has a comprehensive list of basic commands--and *how* and *when* to use them--that would help too.

thanks!

~peace~
 
Old 05-21-2003, 12:10 AM   #2
Crashed_Again
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Hello there sir. So your not down with shell commands. hmmm...well you may learn to love them. Anyway, there is a good link here for some basic commands.

Welcome aboard!

P.S. Try to do a search on this site for things before you post a question. This place is turning into a database full of knowledge and a lot of questions have been asked a gazillion times.
 
Old 05-21-2003, 01:07 AM   #3
MasterC
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I was there. I didn't grow up with any computer at all, so I didn't even have DOS to learn with. I got my first computer in 99 with win98SE on it. I felt the same way when I came to linux, my favorite commands were "help" and "startx". Then I found this site, took the linux tutorial over at www.linux.org and well, the rest is documented here

Have fun, don't get discouraged, and most of all... The very most important thing to remember
*grumble grumble (in the background)*
MasterC: "Ah nooo, NOOO!!!! HEL....."



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Old 05-21-2003, 10:11 AM   #4
high_on_coffee
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thanks for the links

thank you both for the links!

guess "pwd" isn't for "password". heh. i'll remember that in the future!

and MasterC, thanks for pointing me to the tutorial. i've perused the linux.org site before, but didn't see that. i'll work on that and hopefully that will help!

~peace~
 
Old 05-22-2003, 02:35 AM   #5
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Not sure if I'm following everything and you were actually asking but I think pwd is 'print working directory'.

For the following, I have to say I'm still very much a Linux newbie - just a DOS freak.

There's no reason to hate or be freaked out by the command line, though if you have no familiarity with it and are confronted by nothing but a prompt, you might be lost. But if you even know what a prompt is, it's no big deal. Click on an icon of a text editor - type 'text editor' at the prompt. Click on a menu and turn on word wrap - type '-w' after text editor at the prompt. Click on a menu to open a file and hunt through the directories so you can click on it. Type 'filename' at the prompt. It's really the same thing, but a GUI is superficially easier. The command line is easier in the long run and a lot more flexible. A lot of things have a kind of pointless GUI. Like you can copy stuff to a floppy and you have no need to see a box with buttons and a bar and all this stuff - you just want stuff copied, y'know? And all the resources - RAM, processor time, drawing crap on the monitor - you don't waste any of that from the command line. And as far as personal resources, while typing takes time, you're not wasting time looking at scenery - scanning boxes and buttons and travelling menus and generally spending more time navigating than *doing*. Basically, a GUI's buttons are a somewhat inefficient and incomplete graphical translation of a command line's arguments, is all. Just two different ways of instructing your computer to perform operations. The cool thing is that, with a knowledge of commands, you can write scripts (*nix batch files on steroids) that essentially are completely customized programs in their own right, without even having any real knowledge of programming. (Or so I hope.)

I've run a system or two for awhile with no GUI at all but I'm no command line purist by any stretch of the imagination - at times I like to play in the GUI environment or at least have a console UI like a file manager - but I'm just saying the command line's not anything to hate.

Not really relevant to anything, but I thought I'd preach a bit. *g*
 
Old 05-22-2003, 02:56 AM   #6
MasterC
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I say halleluja! Praise the tux!



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Old 05-22-2003, 12:29 PM   #7
high_on_coffee
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command line and me

digiot--
i agree completely that command-line takes far less resources. it's just not my cup of tea. it's not simpler for me. that's cool that you at least know DOS. i don't know that either. and, i have the worst memory--short-term or long-term! i think i need to have an entire wall of commands posted next to my linux box! i did manage to find a couple nice postings that listed lots of commands, though, which helped.

but, i will not be afraid of the command line....

i will learn....

and i will be happy...

~peace~
 
Old 05-22-2003, 12:34 PM   #8
mcleodnine
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The commandline can be a nasty beast -- I suggest you familiarize yourself with the <TAB> key autocomplete, I couldn't imagine life without it.
 
Old 05-22-2003, 08:42 PM   #9
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Welcome!

The CLI (command line interface) is your friend
 
Old 05-22-2003, 09:09 PM   #10
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Re: command line and me

Quote:
Originally posted by high_on_coffee
digiot--
i agree completely that command-line takes far less resources. it's just not my cup of tea. it's not simpler for me. that's cool that you at least know DOS. i don't know that either. and, i have the worst memory--short-term or long-term! i think i need to have an entire wall of commands posted next to my linux box! i did manage to find a couple nice postings that listed lots of commands, though, which helped.

but, i will not be afraid of the command line....

i will learn....

and i will be happy...

~peace~
*g* Yeah, I can relate to the memory issues - there is that downside - I do spend a lot of time typing question marks and 'help's for quick reminders. Then again, I spend a lot of time trying to remember which series of boxes is hiding the button I want, too. CLI has advantages and powers but I didn't mean it was all roses and everyone should love it - just the key thing is not to be afraid of it or refuse to use it or feel like it's some awful chore. Like Whitehat says, it's your friend even if you don't spend much time with it.

And amen, BrotherC!
 
  


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