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Old 04-21-2006, 01:18 AM   #1
threekgtvr4
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Talking Finally saying hello


Hello everyone. My name is Jerred, and I'm WAY new to Linux, although I've been interested in trying it for some time now. I've been perusing the site for a few weeks now trying to gain a little knowledge into how Linux works. So far, I've learned quite a bit. I do have a little CLI experience using DOS, but not tons.

I know its probably not the BEST way to go about learning Linux, but I'm going to go head first by building a LFS. Don't try to disuade me should you be the type that wouldn't recommend this route. I learn best by doing, and from what I've read, I'll be DOING by building a LFS .

I bought the LFS LiveCD 6.1-3. So far, I've only booted it up and tried toying around with it a little bit as I know it won't totally screw things up. The computer I've been using up til now is OLD. It's a Gateway with a Pentium II (I believe 400mHz), 10GB HD, DVD-ROM, 128MB RAM, with Windows 98SE.

The computer I plan to build LFS with is a Gateway, Pentium 4 1.5gHz, 128MB RAM, 60GB HD currently w/ Windows ME. I intend to format the HD to start fresh, and installing Windows 98 (not sure if the disk I have is SE or not). I'm thinking about a 30GB partition with Windows and the other 30 for the LFS build.

I've been doing a lot of searching this site and Googleing for other research, and I still have a couple questions about LFS and building it with the LiveCD. I still plan to do more research on the subjects, but was hoping I could get a little help (either point me in the direction or just hit me upside the head with the info.).

1. From what I can tell, if you are using a live cd, in order to view the contents of your HD, you have to mount it first. After you mount the HD (or partition(s) or what not), how do you go about viewing the contents? I know in DOS all you do is type c: and you get that drive and then you can view and all that good stuff. How do you do it in Linux?

2. I know that when you are building LFS you follow the book, pretty much word for word. I have also found the hint on the LFS site about the LFS LiveCD and the "work arounds" that come with using the cd. But, as you build with the live cd, everything gets saved to the HD (and in particular, the partition(s) where you are building to) as if you were using an installed distro, correct?

I believe that is it for now, as I haven't even started building yet. I haven't even finished reading the book for that matter, lol. If you got this far in my post, thanks for taking the time to read my rather long first post. And thank you in advance for any and all help.

Jerred
 
Old 04-21-2006, 05:50 AM   #2
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hi there.

i admire your willpower, but ...
this is just insane.
If you don't even know how to list the contents of a directory,
you will have to post 100000 questions before you have your LFS running
for the first time, or, more likely, you'll just give up and we'll loose
you to the dark side for good.
I don't mean to discourage you, go try installing LFS, but do us all
a favour and play around with a LiveCD and learn at least the following things
before you go on:
1. the directory structure of a linux system (FHS)
2. the most essential GNU commands, like less, ls, tar, find, grep, mount, gzip, cp, mv, chmod ... (many more are essential and I mean it)
3. how to do essential things with vi
4. bash basics
5. using the man pages

I know this is not what you wanted to read.
sorry.

question 1: ls <the-directory-where-you-mounted-it>
question 2: yes

regards,
baik
 
Old 04-21-2006, 09:37 AM   #3
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Other than that i think going LFS is admirable but yet maybe a bit stupid. I come from the day where we did not have Live CD available when Mothersday Redhat 1.0 was just released and wouldnt install properly cause it didnt recognise my ide controller properly and couldnt figure out how to get it working ... talk about a total experience killer. I generally play on the OpenBSD distro for server style setups. That is a nice and daunting task. In short once you do finally get to figuring things out you will have a much better understanding and appreciation for Linux and Unix based systems at the end of the day. Having to rely on GUI based interfaces makes you lazy admin and less educated i feel ... but they are nice to help ease the admin tasks and provide a nice introduction into terminology used. My recomendation is the same as baiknor :- Learn your basic linux structure. Learn 'man' my favourite command is 'man -k topic' this will show you all the man pages relating to the topic. Also go through 'man man'.

Otherwise good luck and see you in 3 years
 
Old 04-22-2006, 12:33 AM   #4
threekgtvr4
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Quote:
I know its probably not the BEST way to go about learning Linux, but I'm going to go head first by building a LFS. Don't try to disuade me should you be the type that wouldn't recommend this route. I learn best by doing, and from what I've read, I'll be DOING by building a LFS
That is a personal quote. I understand you are trying to head me (and possibly you) off from a lot of headache. I understand that what I asked for is VERY basic and I could probably have found it out on my own (more than likely from just trying), but the things that escape me most are usually the most basic...

If everyone on this site is against me building a LFS, just leave me alone, I'll figure it out on my own one way or another. As X_in_the_corner said:

Quote:
Otherwise good luck and see you in 3 years
Either way, thank you for your help. What little was given for what I asked for is appreciated...

P.S. I'm NOT mad at all. But I did ask that you don't try to talk me out of doing this...........

Yes I'm editing... I've been drinking and I just figured out that maybe I could have looked a little deeper into the man pages... ehhhhhhhhhh, my fault. Please don't take this to heart, I just hate getting people saying I can't do something........ Even if I shouldn't... So this will probably be my last post to this site............ Sorry to have bothered everyone

Last edited by threekgtvr4; 04-22-2006 at 12:39 AM.
 
Old 04-23-2006, 10:33 PM   #5
threekgtvr4
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I'm sorry for however that came off... I really didn't mean to be an ass or anything... I hope that I become part of this fine community and everyone accepts me as one of those that "jump in with both feet, and the rest of the body just for kicks" kinda people. I WILL be building LFS after I've conquered some of the basics, but I'll start before I probably "should"...

Quote:
I don't mean to discourage you, go try installing LFS, but do us all
a favour and play around with a LiveCD and learn at least the following things
before you go on:
1. the directory structure of a linux system (FHS)
2. the most essential GNU commands, like less, ls, tar, find, grep, mount, gzip, cp, mv, chmod ... (many more are essential and I mean it)
3. how to do essential things with vi
4. bash basics
5. using the man pages
I FULLY intended on doing that before I actually got to building, but do have a little bit of knowledge... 5 minutes into playing with the disk, I could change directories, find root, read txt files, run x windows (even though I froze the system up playing around with it, lol). I also want to learn how to look at different drives and view the contents (yes, I know how to ls, just need to learn all the different options I can use with it).

So hopefully I will be back, and I won't try to be a bother, I really do like finding things out on my own, and will do it. I usually come looking for help after I've spent about 20 (or more) total hours reading and researching and still not finding what I want.

Again, my apologies if I came off as a total loser or what not... I'll try not to let it happen again...
 
  


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