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Old 02-02-2003, 10:46 PM   #1
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Mandrake9&Wireless USB adapter??


Hi,

Right now I'm on WindowsXP, but after seeing cool pics and hearing/reading good things about the stability and ease of Mandrake9, I decided I'd like to try using it finally.

But.....first things first. I am using a Microsoft wireless USB adapter on my computer which connects to a base station on another PC in a seperate room which connects me to the internet. First thing I need to know is: is there a way I can get my USB adapter to even work with Mandrake9 somehow?Perhaps there are generic or alternative drivers I can use to get it to work.

2ndly, if there's no possible way to get my wireless USB adapter to connect to the base and get on the internet, than what OTHER usb adapter or wireless network card....or any network card for that matter......WILL work/be compatible with Mandrake 9.0? Just throw some names&brands at me and where more info can be found on them.

I just wish to learn more about Linux by hands on experience...aka...actually USING linux. Don't get me wrong, I love WindowsXP........but ya know, after SO many LONG years of being confined to Windows OS's because it "just worked", I am ready to venture out into NON-Windows territory and perpare myself because Linux could very well be "the next big thing" of Operating Systems

Thanks for any advice I can get regarding my USb adapter issue and possible workarounds or alternatives.

><>Mark<><
 
Old 02-03-2003, 01:37 AM   #2
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For the most part yes, I think all of the current USB adapters are supported under Linux, but the most important thing is what model of USB adapter? If its a WUSB11, even the version number is important as the 2.5/2.6/and 2.7 are all three different chipsets.

The biggest thing holding Linux back is manufacturers in the world of devices, not releasing enough specs for a driver to be built without tedious peek and poke, which in the case of something as annoying wireless kit, basically won't happen.

With most devices under Linux, "just works" is indeed the norm, but wireless is somewhat still in an infancy, bad timing with the divergence of the kernel series largely.

Cheers,

Finegan
 
Old 02-03-2003, 07:14 AM   #3
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Linux&Wireless USB adapters

Thanks, but that still doesn't tell me HOW i can GET it to work. I tried using Mandrake 9.1 beta 3 and it didn't work or see it at all, so I hadda trash it and go back to Windows because any computer without an internet connection is just about dead. lol. Perhaps it didn't work because it was a beta product? As far as what model number, I am unsure, and I am not sure how to find out. All I know is that its a Microsoft Wireless USB adapter.

Do you think I ought to unplug all my USB devices before I install Mandrake, and plug them back in when I'm done? Would that work? or perhaps disable the "plug n Play OS" option in the bios? I've heard people talking about having to do that first. If I can just get the internet to work in Mandrake linux.......or ANY linux, I'd consider fully switching over from Windows....mainly so I can learn to use it better and learn about it.

Otherwise, if all else fails, what are same names/brands of wireless adapters that WILL work with Mandrake OUT OF THE BOX. I really don't wanna have to learn to recompile and reconfigure and all that adavnced stuff. But from what I can tell so far, Linux definitly is a "do it yourself" operating system. Its not like Windows where all reconfigurations are done for you. If something's not working and u want it to work, the rule of Linux seems to be: Do it/edit it manually yourself. The Linux newbies of today will be the programmers and coders of tomorrow. lol

Thanks again,
Mark

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Old 02-03-2003, 09:57 AM   #4
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Hi Teeball, i'm too in the same boat as you. As I understand it the majority of usb wireless chipsets are based upon the Atmel chipest which can be obtained from:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/atmelwlandriver/

You should then compile the module, and install the wireless configuration util that is knocking around and it should pick something up that you can configure with the 'iwconfig' program and get integrated into your network.

HOWEVER! i have yet to manage to get the driver module to bloody well compile! You have to install the rpm off your distro disk with the source of your kernal, and then compile the driver. If that fails you are supposed to compile the actual kernal with some extra 'radio' argument on the make part, but it is at that stage that i get scared and confused

Hence i went back to win2K on my box and in 20mins i had a wireless station with the necessary tools to encode my VCDs versus several fruitless night of frustration...
 
Old 02-03-2003, 03:37 PM   #5
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Well, Linux is something I refuse to give up on. I know it CAN be done, its the HOW that I do not know. I too am scared/nevous to do all that compiling and recompiling. If I can't get my Wireless USB to work "as is", than i either want another wireless product that will work OUT OF THE BOX, or perhaps somebody would do me the kind favor of doing all the compiling and reconfiguartion and simply e-mail me the finished product with easy instructions on how to use it or add it into my system configuration.

Anybody else have any other ideas or advice? So far nobody has been able to come up with a definite answer or solution to the wireless problem. But one thing is for sure, I am NOT giving up on Linux this time. As frustrating as it is, I will stick with it. In the end, all the knowledge I gain from this will be well worth the time&effort

><>Mark<><
 
Old 02-03-2003, 05:32 PM   #6
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I can't help you with the problem unless I know what the device is. No one can. As lumpyhed pointed out up there, there is the atmel drivers. Its either one of those or its a prism2 chipset covered by the www.linux-wlan.net chipset group.

Or, its something new and exotic, at least info on the the device would be enough to get started. No distro currently supports a wireless USB device out of the box except Mandrake 9.0 and the latest SuSe, they packaged in some rather old www.linux-wlan.net drivers that had some early USB support for the prism2 chipsets... that's it for ootb. This thing is probably not one of them.

Anything would help, down to a serial number on the back of the device.

Cheers,

Finegan
 
Old 02-03-2003, 08:56 PM   #7
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Would this help?:

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/br..._sheet_510.pdf

Needs adobe acrobat reader to view it.
 
Old 02-03-2003, 09:27 PM   #8
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Barely, it tracked me to a post on the linux-wlan mailing list, so surprisingly this thing is a Prism2 chipset device and not an atmel.

This is going to take compiling, no big deal, download the newest version from here:

ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/

.16-pre9 just worked for me. Unpack it with:

tar xvzf linux-wlan-ng-0.1.16-pre9.tar.gz

Then cd into that directory and run the configure script, it should hand lead you through the rest:

./Configure

Read the big README that comes with it, taking special note of the end section referring especially to the USB users (this driver package covers PCMCIA, PCI, PLX cards as well as the USB device), and take note that although you have a newer kernel, this is a repackaged version of the Intel device.

Cheers,

Finegan
 
Old 02-03-2003, 11:21 PM   #9
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I remember trying to unpack a similar file someone else pointed me towards using the command you gave and it didn't do anything. Do you use the run command or something? I ended up just double clicking the actual file and it allowed me to extract the files to a location of my choice. Double clicked the script file and chose to run it, and that did nothing. Also, running in a terminal did nothing as well. Am I missing something here? What Am I doing wrong? Do you HAVE to unpack it to a certain location for the commands and script files to work? Like I said, I'd prefer something that will do the majority of the hard work for me, but if i MUST do it myself, than I'll give it shot. Thats what Trial&error are for.

perhaps you could kindly write me a simple, quick, step by step guide to recompiling the kernal, reconfiguring, and all that complex stuff. If you could write me something that I could print out and use, that'd be great.

Thank you if you can, thanks for trying if you can't

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Old 02-04-2003, 01:32 AM   #10
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You don't have to recompile the kernel, no need to rebuild the planet when all you want is pine trees.

First off, ditch the GUI, just open a Konsole, or an xterm, or whatever gives you a command line. As a joe user:

tar xvzf linux-wlan-ng-0.1.16-pre9.tar.gz
cd linux-wlan-ng-0.1.16-pre9
./Configure

Then it'll lead you through some steps, if you did a "typical" install of Mandrake, you will not have a compiler or the kernel source, you will have it if you did an "everything" install. When in doubt, type the command "gcc -v" and if you get a version, you're good, if you get command not found, go to the package installer GUI program, I can't remember the name for it, its under the Utilities menu, and type in gcc, and let it install that and the 2-3 dependencies. Do the same for the kernel if you've got nothing in the directory /usr/src/linux.

Once you've got the kernel and gcc and the Configure script is happy, type, in that same directory:

make all

And let it go kazoo, it should work for a couple minutes/seconds, depending on your machine, then type:

make install

Then, to figure out how the utilities work so as to load and configure this little beastie:

more README

At the end there is a warning about resets and intel based versions of this chipset, you have one of them, so pay extra attention to that.

Cheers,

Finegan
 
Old 02-04-2003, 06:12 PM   #11
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Well, I followed your instructions above and only made it to the point where it asks me about the linux source. I answered "Y" or yes to all the drivers and than I got this:
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Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]:
Linux source tree /usr/src/linux is incomplete or missing!
See the HOWTO for a list of FTP sites for current kernel sources.
--------------
I hit enter and it said the source tree is incomplete or missing, so........now what??

Also, I did do the command gcc-v and i DID get a version number, so that must be a good thing, right?

Anyways, whats my next step or steps? I am eager to get this thing configured so I can use the internet with it.

Thanks,
-Mark
 
Old 02-04-2003, 06:22 PM   #12
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Yes, you have a compiler, but you don't have the kernel source code. Using the Mandrake package manager thingy mabob you're looking to install the linux kernel source and the kernel headers... or really you may just be able to get away with:

cp /boot/config-(something like 2.4.19-mdk) /usr/src/linux/.config

All the package needs to see is how your kernel is currently configured, usually done using the source code structure... but if you've got the config file, that should be enough.

Cheers,

Finegan
 
Old 02-04-2003, 07:51 PM   #13
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I tried to install the source code package, but it said the package was corrupt and couldn't install. Is there another place I could get it from? Online or ftp server? Surely there's an alternate way.

Another interesting thing is that I checked the directory /usr/src/ and there is NO folder named linux inside of it. is this due to the fact that the kernal source isn't installed yet, or is something
screwy about it?

Also, for this: "cp /boot/config-(something like 2.4.19-mdk) /usr/src/linux/.config" ......... If you could tell me exactly what it's supposed to say, I'll give it a try also.

Thanks,
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Old 02-04-2003, 09:50 PM   #14
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I don't know exactly, look at the contents of /boot at what the name of the file is that starts with config-* You gotta remember I don't have a Mandrake 9.0 machine handy, heck I don't even have a Mandrake machine around anymore.

Also, since you don't have a kernel directory, go ahead and create one before trying to copy over the .config file:

mkdir /usr/src/linux

OR, you can can continue to track down the kernel source, here's a good place to look:

ftp://ftp.tux.org/distributions/mand...16mdk.i586.rpm

and

ftp://ftp.tux.org/distributions/mand...41mdk.i586.rpm

Cheers,

Finegan
 
Old 02-05-2003, 12:26 AM   #15
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Just an fyi, usually /boot/config is symlinked to the current config-{whatever} file. That means just type:
Code:
cp /boot/config /usr/src/linux/.config
the period before config at the end is important as is having the directory already there as finegan already showed us how to do:
Code:
mkdir /usr/src/linux
 
  


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