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Completely Clueless 04-11-2008 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredegar (Post 3117364)
So, post the (long) error log to wherever, give us the link to it, and we'll do what we can to help you.
Welcome to the world of puzzle-solving. I hope you like to solve puzzles :)

Well, I do like solving puzzles, but would prefer to get some work done in between times! :-)

I expect to have the post up for around 7pm UK time tonight.

Thanks again,

CC.

Completely Clueless 04-11-2008 01:38 PM

Okay, pretty neat idea, that site. Please see:

http://rafb.net/p/PkAGzr38.html (

if that fails it's under "clueless" "log file")

I'll get the output info and post it here directly.

CC

tredegar 04-11-2008 01:46 PM

Errr, no.
That file, interesting though it is, looks as though it is your kernel boot message log.
It has nothing to do the the errors you may have received when trying to install ath_pci.

Perhaps you should just tell us what happened as you followed each step.

Completely Clueless 04-11-2008 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredegar (Post 3118193)
Errr, no.
That file, interesting though it is, looks as though it is your kernel boot message log.
It has nothing to do the the errors you may have received when trying to install ath_pci.

Perhaps you should just tell us what happened as you followed each step.

Hang on! Something has changed during boot up. Give me 10 minutes....

Completely Clueless 04-11-2008 02:46 PM

Right, well. I can only report that I no longer get the wlan error message on boot-up. I still get the ethernet one (obviously) but that's all. When I go into "networks" it tells me I have an "inactive wlan wireless device" and under networks/hardware it says:

"ath_pci wireless wlan0 configured"

So that's definitely not as it was and the new driver has gone in, it seems! Funny thing is, this has only happened since I did a FULL restart. Certainly, that guy's suggestion of "restart network system" (only) didn't work by itself.

Anyway, it looks like a simple re-boot MAY have done the trick. But I can't say for sure. How should I proceed from here? I'm fortunately in an area where there are quite a few strong local wireless internet signals, incidentally.

CC.

Completely Clueless 04-11-2008 03:54 PM

Uh-oh.

Spoke too soon. Noticed an "activate" option box for the wlan device and get told it's not installed and wlan0.bak "not found."

This isn't a puzzle, it's a jinx.

CC.

tredegar 04-11-2008 06:13 PM

Quote:

When I go into "networks" it tells me I have an "inactive wlan wireless device" and under networks/hardware it says:

"ath_pci wireless wlan0 configured"
It looks as though the ath_pci module is handling your wireless chipset, because it is reported as "configured". To me, this means that your chipset is recognised, and responding. So this is a step forward. Maybe it now needs setting up with some details.

But what does "When I go into "networks"" mean? I am not runing Fedora8, and have no idea what it looks like, what you are clicking on, or what you are talking about. Grrrrr.

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How should I proceed from here? I'm fortunately in an area where there are quite a few strong local wireless internet signals, incidentally.
Some questions follow, but I am learning that you are not as good at answering as you are at asking.

0] How do you know that "there are quite a few strong local wireless internet signals"?
1] Which wireless network is yours?
2] What is the name (ESSID) of your wireless network?
3] How is your wireless Access Point configured?
4] What encryption are you using (WEP, WAP, Other?)
5] What channel is it using?
6] What have you tried to enable a connection to be made to your, presumably encrypted, wireless AP?

Quote:

Noticed an "activate" option box for the wlan device and get told it's not installed and wlan0.bak "not found."
7] Maybe you can clue me in here?

Completely Clueless 04-12-2008 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredegar (Post 3118442)
But what does "When I go into "networks"" mean? I am not runing Fedora8, and have no idea what it looks like, what you are clicking on, or what you are talking about. Grrrrr.

It's a real pity you can't see what I'm seeing here. It would make life a lot simpler. Basically, from the Fedora desktop, there are 3 drop down menus on the title bar: Applications, Places and System. I go into System, then click on Administration, then Network. At this point I have to give the root password. Then up pops a dialogue box entitled Network Configuration. This has 4 tabs: Devices, Hardware, IPsec and Hosts. Under Devices there are 2 entries: ethernet and wireless (both are shown as "inactive") Under Hardware, again 2 devices: sis190/eth0 and ath_pci/wlan0 which has satus "configured" shown. Under IPsec, DNS and Hosts, nothing is entered.

Also in the top area of the box are two big buttons: Activate and Deactivate. If I check the wlan box and click "Activate" it first tells me "saving changes, restart required" but then shortly after and before I get the chance to restart, I get a pop up message from "System-config-network" saying "Cannot activate network device wlan0.bak! - ath_pci device wlan0 does not seem to be present, delaying initialization."

[QUOTE=tredegar;3118442]
0] How do you know that "there are quite a few strong local wireless internet signals"?

My wireless-enabled Windows laptop can pick them up. I'm in the middle of a large apartment block in a very built-up area.

1] Which wireless network is yours?

None of them. I don't have a network myself. I use internet cafes with wireless lans. They operate on a range of channels and my Windows laptop just scans the whole band and shows all the local signals and their respective strengths, whether they're encrypted or not and so forth.

I hope that's made things a little clearer.

Thanks,

CC.

tredegar 04-12-2008 09:45 AM

I can't help you with the GUI, I have no idea that the Fedora GUI tools do. But we can try to establish if the wireless is configured.
You'll need to be root to do these steps:

See if the ath5k module is still being loaded:
lsmod | grep ath5k
Remove it if it is:
rmmod ath5k
If you had to remove it, reload the ath_pci module:
rmmod ath_pci
modprobe ath_pci

See if your wireless can see any networks:
iwlist scan
See what your available interfaces are:
ifconfig

Completely Clueless 04-12-2008 10:46 AM

Okay, here we go:

The first and third commands generated no response to the screen:

[root@localhost ~]# lsmod | grep ath5k
[root@localhost ~]# rmmod ath5k
ERROR: Module ath5k does not exist in /proc/modules
[root@localhost ~]# modprobe ath_pci
[root@localhost ~]# iwlist scan
lo Interface doesn't support scanning.

eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning.

[root@localhost ~]# ifconfig
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:3233 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:3233 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:2643328 (2.5 MiB) TX bytes:2643328 (2.5 MiB)

[root@localhost ~]#


These are the earlier outputs you requested (sorry for the delay)

[root@localhost ~]# uname -a
Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.23.1-42.fc8 #1 SMP Tue Oct 30 13:55:12 EDT 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[root@localhost ~]# ls /usr/src
[root@localhost ~]# which gcc
/usr/bin/which: no gcc in (/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin)
[root@localhost ~]#


NB: the second command generates no response to the screen.

tredegar 04-12-2008 11:47 AM

It is not working :(

Lots of people are having serious trouble getting the AR5007EG chipset to work. They can get other Atheros chipsets working, but not yours.
So far as google can tell me, nobody using Fedora8 has managed it :(
It may be time for you to try another distro...

missniceness got your chipset working with kubuntu by using ndiswrapper. ndiswrapper is a way of using the windows driver under linux. Her journal post is here:
http://missniceness.livejournal.com/

And search on that page for "Wireless is working!"

I don't think I can help you any further with fedora. Sorry :(
We tried, and you may have learnt something along the way.

Completely Clueless 04-12-2008 12:10 PM

Well, hey! We tried and I'm grateful for all the help you've provided anyway. At least I now know it's no failing on my part.

I'm not married to Fedora. I only went with it because Suse 10.3 couldn't see my hard drive. Have you any idea WHICH distro WOULD work with this laptop? I mean a full-blown distro with all the bells and whistles on it?

Once again, a big thanks.

tredegar 04-12-2008 12:28 PM

Maybe kubuntu 7.10 ?

(k)ubuntu is generally considered a newbie-friendly distro, but it has all the features I require, and as I said, I am very happy with 6.06 (now running as 6.2, I think, after all the updates.)

kubuntu 8.04 is still in "Beta", and so probably perhaps not the best to start with when you are new.
Whatever you choose, you are going to have trouble with your wireless chipset (As a general rule, only buy laptops with NVIDIA video (although ATI are supposedly getting better with linux support), intel video seems to be OK too, and Intel wireless - these manufacturers are very supportive of linux)

If you want to keep things fairly simple (recommended), I'd avoid the fancy 3D "glamour" of rotating cubic desktops and the like (AKA compiz fusion beryl etc.), as these are somewhat unreliable at the moment. Give them time though. Who knows, in another couple of months your AR5007EG may be fully supported by a native linux module, and the problems will be gone.

Good luck ;)

Completely Clueless 04-12-2008 06:31 PM

Okay, well I'll take some comfort from that! Just out of curiosity I have tried wlan capability with a Knoppix live CD and that doesn't recognize it either. I imagine that will be the case for the majority of distros. I'll take a gander at Kubuntu since you suggested it.

Once again, thanks for your valiant efforts.

CC

tredegar 04-13-2008 06:24 AM

Quote:

Just out of curiosity I have tried wlan capability with a Knoppix live CD and that doesn't recognize it either.
Hmmmm. knoppix is renowned for its excellent hardware detection, and "making it work", so if knoppix can't get your wireless working, it is a bad sign.

But, as I posted above missniceness got your wireless chipset working with kubuntu and ndiswrapper.
Take a look at her site for instructions, if they are not sufficiently clear, I expect you could politely email her for the full details.

Happy hacking!


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