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Old 06-17-2003, 08:56 PM   #1
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Wine Whine


OK, I get it this thread has been done to death!

I am so tired of complicated instructions that only bring up more questions, so here it is, this is the ultimate set of questions from every Ex-windows user trying to switch to linux.

we want a program that will:

1-allow us to run our standard applications, like word, powerpoint, excell, outlook. that will allow said programs access to the printer/save files to an easily findable folder

2-allow us to play our direct-X or grafx based games like half life, Diablo, the sims, war craft, starcraft, (insert your favorite NON internet based game here)

3-allow us to play our direct-X/NET play games like half life, Diablo, unreal turnament, worms, (insert your favorite Net based game here) without charging us a monthly fee... I dont have to pay to play diabloII online in windows, why should it be any differant in linux.


under these criteria:

1-is there ANY program that does not require installing from a "dos-like" prompt, OR one that installs in ONE command/one step.

2-once installed how do I install/run <any app from above examples>


I have run redhat 8.1 and mandrake 9.1, I cannot understand how to install and use wine and all my research has only yielded confusion due to the lack of coherant responces.
in this case too many cooks have spoiled the broth.
I under stand this is a tall order to fill but there must be an emulator or a combination of emulators that will accomplish the task.
 
Old 06-17-2003, 10:09 PM   #2
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there is a post that is dealing with this topic, i think it's on page 2, it's called Wine in RH9.1( which is a misprint)
 
Old 06-17-2003, 10:48 PM   #3
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well there is nothing else out there that can do what you want and what can do what wine can do...so your going to have to try you damnist to install wine if you want to do all that stuff in the linux environment...
the only thing you can do in linux that you can do in windows pertaining to your list is stuff comparable to MSOffice...which you can use OpenOffice or StarOffice, which are both pretty much alike as MSOffice and can even open office documents..
 
Old 06-17-2003, 10:53 PM   #4
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I can accept this, I understand it, however there are alot of new linux users who arent as understanding and it hurts linux. untill there is a wider user base, major program manufacturers will over look us and the OS will be lost, untill a base can be established, users NEED a better emulator, I would make one, but I lack the programming know how!
 
Old 06-17-2003, 11:05 PM   #5
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well d00d, wine really isn't all that hard to install, i think you maybe making it hard on yourself...don't think i am insulting your knowledge but i think if you sit down and pay attention to a readme or FAQ site you will get it...and there is a program called wine tools where you can click the install button to install an app rather than doing it from command line...
 
Old 06-18-2003, 10:38 AM   #6
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um, wine doesn't emulate anything, maybe that's why wine isn't working for you, you don't understand how it works. Wine is not an emulator.

Taken from the Winehq website:

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Wine is a UNIX implementation of the win32 Windows libraries, written from scratch by hundreds of volunteer developers and released under an Open Source license (think of it as a Windows compatibility layer for Linux and other similar operating systems). Anyone can download and read through the source code, and fix bugs that arise. The Wine community is full of richly talented programmers who have spent thousands of hours of personal time on improving Wine so that it works well with the win32 Application Programming Interface (API), and keeps pace with new developments from Microsoft.
unless i read it wrong then
 
Old 06-18-2003, 11:01 AM   #7
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See my sig for a beautiful GUI for wine configuration and use that even a braindead monkey couldn't screw up. For those used to pointing and clicking.. :-)
 
Old 06-18-2003, 12:39 PM   #8
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wine tools, yeah that's what i used also, did all the work of making the fake windows c:, but i still have to run everything from the command line, and it must be in the fake program tools, or else wine can't find it... what's up with that?
 
Old 06-18-2003, 05:37 PM   #9
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Ok there are alot of good answers the best is the discript for "point and click" this is what us ex-windows newbies need!
thank you for your input, I will try the wine tools and let you all know how well it works...

sorry to be taskeing on the persona of a (l)user <for those not familiar with TSC, idiot user> but although I am an avid computer Nut and I do understand most of what is going on, most of those new to linux do not and are only makeing the switch because windows is so quirky, if they end up useing linux and find their olf apps are useless, they will only switch back to windows opting for compatibility over functionality.
 
Old 06-18-2003, 07:15 PM   #10
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IcoNyx,

I think your attitude is refreshing. I'm sick of the "holy war" mentality about people switching. The truth is that many people would NEVER switch unless the command line were completely hidden from them and some enterprising young programmer replaced the boot-up "[OK]" messages with a picture of clouds behind a Window (C) (R) (tm).

I saw an article recently you might find interesting (or not). Believe me, this is NOT a backhanded insult. It is just an article on whether Linux is or should be for everyone.

"Linux is not for you (if you are a normal everyday Joe)"
http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue46/nod.html

After a few attempts at proselytization, I've come to the conclusion that most people are not ready to convert to Linux just because they are disgusted with Windows and they probably shouldn't just do it cold turkey.

I think people have to get used to the idea, try it on a separate partition, and have enough help that they get to try some of the cool things instead of just getting disgusted and quitting.

My $.02. I don't know, what do you think ... should we just provide a good alternative to Windows or should we actively try to convert the masses?
 
Old 06-19-2003, 01:03 PM   #11
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Well,
Speaking as someone who did try to begin the conversion process, but backtracked, take it from me when I say that conversion is easier said than done.

I went through the trouble of creating the partitions (risking my precious XP), and installing the OS (Mandrake 9.smthng, multiple failed attempts). But, due to a minor Swap Partion size problem, I ran into snags, and backed out gracefully (if you can call deleting the partitions and resizing XP to take up the room graceful).

The problem is that Windows is so dang ubiquitous and omnipresent, that it is hard to wean one's self from the standarizations therein (one central button in the lower left corner of the screen, system folder names, etc.). Someone needs to come up with an OS that is as sturdy as Linux, yet more simple and self-explanatory than microwave popcorn. What would be cool is a screen without a taskbar. When a user minimizes an application, it should turn into a little dot with a flag. And society needs to break the A-Window-Has-To-Be-Rectangular mentality. Circles and ovals are far more pleasing to the eye.

I'll give Linux another try just because I'm open-minded (I used to adore an Amiga 500 with a neat-o 100meg Dataflyer HD).

By the way, can I put Linux on an old Integraph workstation (built with Unix in mind)? Is there any easy way to make RedHat or Mandrake work on it (with a HD upgrade of course)?

-Electronbrain

Last edited by electronbrain; 06-21-2003 at 10:29 AM.
 
Old 06-19-2003, 06:23 PM   #12
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ok now, ./tools/wineinstall failed out on bison... I will update from freshmeat... lets see, any more setbacks?

 
  


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