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Old 08-02-2012, 03:02 AM   #1
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Win to Linux convertors- comparison


I am aware of Vine and Crossover
Vine is free, Crossover is paid for
Are there any others out there?
Any opinions which works best?
As my use will be casual- I made up my mind to abandon Windows completely when I got to grips with Ubuntu- there are those odd occasions when......
 
Old 08-02-2012, 03:50 AM   #2
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It's not Vine, it's wine. It's not a convertor, but a reimplementation of Windows API based on Unix + X + OpenGL.
You should refer to the wine appdb to make sure that the Windows applications you need to use on Linux work via wine.
 
Old 08-02-2012, 03:55 AM   #3
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Thank you 414N
For the correction to my ignorance in these matters- the fog is lifting but slowly

Coming back to Win conversion applications- any thoughts?
 
Old 08-02-2012, 06:15 AM   #4
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There is no such thing as win conversion. Wine translates on-the-fly windows system calls to Linux/X/OpenGL system calls, as mentioned by 414N. That way you are able to run _SOME_ windows executables under Linux.

Another method to have Windows programs run under Linux is to install Win on a Virtual Machine. However, this way, the complete OS will run on a VM under Linux, and the program itself will run under Windows.
 
Old 08-02-2012, 06:34 AM   #5
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A little wine is nice

The better answer is to avoid WINE and CROSSOVER (which is just wine with a lot of tuning and pre-configuration does for you by a commercial (and very good) team), and run all native applications. Although SOME applications actually run faster on Linux using Wine that they do running under Win7, many have 'issues' or run with certain features disabled. The native applications may involve a learning curve or feature shift, but should be more efficient, stable, and complete.

Exception: outlook if you are forced into an EXCHANGE environment with HTML remote routing. When I last evaluated the software options, nothing native Linux came close.

It was not the first thing gave me a mixed love-hate feeling about Exchange.

If you have the option of using a local Exchange server with pop3 or imap enabled you can use any of several options. The mozilla set (Thunderbird with add-ons) appeals to me most, but it is not alone in that space.
 
Old 08-02-2012, 07:02 AM   #6
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I made up my mind to abandon Windows completely when I got to grips with Ubuntu- there are those odd occasions when......
Then you have not made up your mind to completely abandon Windows. You are reluctant to let go. My advice is to use Linux applications. There is no need use Microsoft applications. If it is a case of you really must play games, then use Wine or Windows in a virtual machine.

At least that is my opinion.
 
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:26 AM   #7
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I agree with the above, generally. It's better to use native Linux apps instead if at all possible. Only use a non-native app if there are no suitable replacements.

If you really need to run one or two Windows applications, then you should try running them under wine first. If the programs work well enough for your purposes, the there's no need to run a whole virtual machine and second operating system in order to use them. Especially since that other OS is a proprietary one that requires rather steep licensing costs.

I believe that many games also tend to require wine, as VM's don't offer much support for direct rendering, and add an extra layer of processing that eats computer cycles. (Things may be changing there though, as I'm not a gamer.)

Wine is constantly improving and programs that may not work under one version may do much better in the next. Popular games in particular seem to get fixes quickly. But they are chasing a moving target, so older programs will usually work better than newer ones, and there can be regressions as well. Always check the appdb first.

You should only really need to run a VM if the programs you want to use have serious issues on wine, or you have to do lots of heavy work with it, such as testing things and running large numbers of native apps.


As explained above, the Crossover offerings are just commercialized forks of wine, designed especially for small business use and gamers. They take the base project, add their own extensions to it, and sell it with additional support services. If wine doesn't support a particular program, then it may work with Crossover, or they may be able to make it work, for a price. They have a good working relationship with the wine project as well, and often feed their own improvements back into the main trunk.
 
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If wine doesn't support a particular program, then it may work with Crossover, or they may be able to make it work, for a price. They have a good working relationship with the wine project as well, and often feed their own improvements back into the main trunk.
I think it's more than that----I have the impression that Codeweavers is a major sponsor of the WINE project (several WINE developers are on their staff.)

And yes, things will often work out of the box on Crossover, but not an WINE
 
Old 08-02-2012, 09:06 AM   #9
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I suggest that you simply run Windows in a virtual machine under Linux, or Linux in a virtual machine under Windows. (Buy a copy of VMWare.)
 
Old 08-02-2012, 03:08 PM   #10
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Thank you all for that.

Ubuntu hasmy way now for over a year and I am tuning up my skills with the various progs.

There were a couple of Win prggs that I used that I 'Missed' in the picture editing/ slide show field- but Gimp and others are as good when 'nailed down'
 
  


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