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Old 12-29-2015, 10:55 PM   #16
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You see anything in the Ops profile or post history that says he from the USA and is subject to it's laws?
No, my mistake. I've associated the DRM with U.S. law.

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Old 12-30-2015, 10:45 AM   #17
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I don't believe the original question violates any rules.

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Why no DRM cracking stuff for Linux?

The reason, I imagine with no data, is that most users of Linux have found a free software alternative for the things they like to use. For instance, I enjoy using GIMP. Your average Linux user usually struggles to find a free software alternative rather than pirate. Though, that doesn't mean Linux users are unwilling to pay for software they enjoy. Take GOG, Steam, or Humble indie bundle for example.

I've met many free software users and found them generally honest and good natured when it comes to software. They and I have no need for pirating or cracking.

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Old 12-30-2015, 07:02 PM   #18
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Really? So no matter how bad or stupid a law is we should accept it and live with our only hope of rescue being to beg our slave masters to treat us better. Asking the state to treat us better makes about as much sense as telling the mofia they really shouldn't be killing and stealing so much. Historically the most effective way of dealing with ridiculous rules imposed any given people's slave masters has been to simply ignore their laws out of existence.

In 1932 it was illegal to have alcohol and it was legal to own gold, in 1933 it was legal to have alcohol and it was illegal to own gold. ardvark71, you really want to respect that?
 
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:06 PM   #19
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Hi...

Certainly there are aspects of the DRM that are not agreeable, you've named one of them.

However, it is a law that needs to be respected. Any changes or an outright repeal should be handled by Congress, with citizens petitioning their elected representatives, not by circumventing it using hacking utilities.

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ardvark71

Really? So no matter how bad or stupid a law is we should accept it and live with our only hope of rescue being to beg our slave masters to treat us better. Asking the state to treat us better makes about as much sense as telling the mofia they really shouldn't be killing and stealing so much. Historically the most effective way of dealing with ridiculous rules imposed any given people's slave masters has been to simply ignore their laws out of existence.

In 1932 it was illegal to have alcohol and it was legal to own gold, in 1933 it was legal to have alcohol and it was illegal to own gold. ardvark71, you really want to respect that?
 
Old 12-30-2015, 07:20 PM   #20
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No, the difference is that with both your examples you can make (or dig) it yourself.

Your DRM argument is for obtaining somebody elses effort in contravention of the conditions that they make it available to you.

The FOSS paradigm encourages participation and sharing, rather than consumption and taking, so as alluded to above, one might imagine there is less desire on the part of coders to persue such things.

What right do you think you have to be entertained for free by the efforts of others?

It's a different story if the creators of any "work" make it freely available, but in the case you are making, they haven't - which is their right.

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Old 12-30-2015, 07:30 PM   #21
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You see anything in the Ops profile or post history that says he from the USA and is subject to it's laws?...
Don't have any anti american feelings but american law does not apply the world over, even if the film/music/software industries would like it to, the OP also said he purchased the book by mistake and needed to de-drm it for his own use, talking about this particular situation should neither be against forum rules nor is it nessasarily ilegal.
 
Old 12-30-2015, 07:33 PM   #22
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Indeed, and his remedy would be to return it to the place of purchase as 'not fit for purpose'.
 
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Old 12-31-2015, 12:04 AM   #23
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Why buy an electronic version of a book only to waste paper printing it?

In my youth, they told me of a world free of books and everything will be on a computer.
 
Old 12-31-2015, 12:41 AM   #24
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Really? So no matter how bad or stupid a law is we should accept it and live with our only hope of rescue being to beg our slave masters to treat us better. Asking the state to treat us better makes about as much sense as telling the mofia they really shouldn't be killing and stealing so much.
I think you're using the wrong comparison. We're not slaves. If you are a citizen of the United States you can ask your elected representative to Congress to submit a bill to change or repeal a law. The same goes with state and local (City and County) governments. Additionally, some states have a initiative and referendum process that allows citizens to propose and/or vote on citizen sponsored legislation or repeals. You have representation, whether or not some laws are to your liking.

Again, does that mean that every law is completely fair and just? No. But with limited exceptions (from the Bible, written to Christians,) we are all expected to obey the government. Additional Verse here.

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Historically the most effective way of dealing with ridiculous rules imposed any given people's slave masters has been to simply ignore their laws out of existence.
No, that's breaking them and violating what God has commanded.

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In 1932 it was illegal to have alcohol and it was legal to own gold, in 1933 it was legal to have alcohol and it was illegal to own gold. ardvark71, you really want to respect that?
Yes, I would respect that.

Regards...
 
Old 12-31-2015, 01:45 AM   #25
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I think you're using the wrong comparison. We're not slaves. If you are a citizen of the United States you can ask your elected representative to Congress to submit a bill to change or repeal a law. The same goes with state and local (City and County) governments. Additionally, some states have a initiative and referendum process that allows citizens to propose and/or vote on citizen sponsored legislation or repeals. You have representation, whether or not some laws are to your liking.

Again, does that mean that every law is completely fair and just? No. But with limited exceptions (from the Bible, written to Christians,) we are all expected to obey the government. Additional Verse here.
Your theory of government is very much at odds with the foundations of US government, history and many other people's understanding of what their God might require of them. Alarmingly so!

For those living in the US, I think a careful reading and consideration of their own founding document will provide the clearest statement of the relationship of FREE men to their governments found anywhere... A brief exerpt from the Declaration of Independence:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
It is self-evident - not in need of legal interpretation.

All right and all power derive from the Creator, nothing derives from government. All right is held by the created individual, nothing is held by any collective or any government.

This is not a religious concept. It is the political statement that governmental power derives from the individual people, who possess it by right of their own existence, whatever they attribute their origin to be. FREE thinking ahteists, agnostics, Christians and scooter tramps can get their heads around the concept!

The individual may provisionally lend a portion of that Creator endowed right and power to a common government for extremely limited purposes, but no such government may ever limit or alter those Creator endowed rights - they are by definition unalienable! They are not subject to any law or process or vote - ever! And they are very broad covering all aspects of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!

The only just power government has is by the consent of the governed, and by right has zero power of enforcement! All else is, by definition, unjust, and no FREE individual can be under any obligation to petition, or to obey any law, so-called that derives from that source! Consent, to have any meaning must include the explicit option to be withdrawn - to say NO.

That is the very definition of FREEDOM! If I retain my Created status, my most valuable right is the absolute right to NOT participate, and yet to remain secure in my rights, my home, my life and my liberty! Period. All else is tyranny and slavery...

As for interpretation of Christian scripture, I might suggest you start with the first commandment, ...

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Thou shalt have no other lawgivers before me.
So the first law forbids making of any other law! Making or obeying human law is forbidden if we take this to heart.

And we should remember that Jesus and His followers were not put to death because they obeyed the local authorities!

This is not the place for such discussion, but what might be seen as proselytizing for arbitrary government and religion at the same time in a FREEdom software forum seemed to require some counter-balancing perspective.

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Old 12-31-2015, 06:28 AM   #26
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bla, bla, bla.

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It's Jeremy's forum, and he gets to make the rules.
he edited foul language, but didn't close the thread.

however, op never came back to actually discuss the topic at hand, which was:
"how can i, on linux, read & print from my drm-protected ebook, which i purchased legally"

imho, it would be quite ok to start discussing that.
 
  


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