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Old 05-09-2016, 08:56 AM   #1
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Why must Debian default systemd?


They can just add another option in installation screen to ask what init system ppl want, if they choose other stuff, just remove the Gnome desktop option. What is so difficult about this? A first year programming student can write this 2 step thing in a hour????? Its not a very universal operating system if they default systemd without asking, is it. Have all of them become lazy, 1000 developer cant write a 2 step option?
 
Old 05-09-2016, 09:22 AM   #2
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They can just add another option in installation screen to ask what init system ppl want, if they choose other stuff, just remove the Gnome desktop option. What is so difficult about this? A first year programming student can write this 2 step thing in a hour????? Its not a very universal operating system if they default systemd without asking, is it. Have all of them become lazy, 1000 developer cant write a 2 step option?
Hi Mr/Mrs CrazyCatLover.

Feel free to share your easy "2 step" solution with the d-i team.
If "A first year programming student can write this 2 step thing in a hour", it seems fair to expect your patch within the next hour (or are you lazy?).
 
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Old 05-09-2016, 10:31 AM   #3
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It's still a universal operating system. It still runs on more hardware than anything else, the "universal OS" has NOTHING to do with the Init system. They chose to go with it because the major players in the enterprise space were going with it (obviously, since they developed it), and they saw the advantages that it CAN possibly bring, and decided to standardize on it. If you don't like it, you're free to choose another OS (devuan), noone at Debian will be in the least bothered.

That might sound like I'm a proponent of SystemD, which would be wrong. I hate it. However, as someone who cares mostly about being able to turn my computer on and use it, just like before I learned linux and used Windows, I'll live with it. Yes, I wish they would have went with something else, but they went with SystemD, so oh well. It works (most of the time), and it is fast to boot, so I've learnt to deal with having it.
 
Old 05-09-2016, 11:02 AM   #4
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Chill jens, you sound like its a fight. Probably my first post seems aggressive, I just couldn't find the answer after searching for so long. Anyway, I don't have the resources to do it, if they open up the source code for the installer for unstable where everyone can edit like Wikipedia then maybe I will. Other than that, thanks for replying to my question. I know what I must do now. Thanks a lot. Good reply by the way Timothy.

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Old 05-09-2016, 11:18 AM   #5
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Chill jens, you sound like its a fight. Probably my first post seems aggressive, I just couldn't find the answer after searching for so long. Anyway, I don't have the resources to do it, if they open up the source code for the installer for unstable where everyone can edit like Wikipedia then maybe I will. Other than that, thanks for replying to my question. I know what I must do now. Thanks a lot. Good reply by the way Timothy.
Here are your instructions - https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/CheckOut

Feel free to send the maintainers your "edits".
 
Old 05-09-2016, 11:23 AM   #6
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The main PITA is that so many debian packages now have systemd as a dependency. So while it is "relatively" simple to change/keep sysvinit, it reality, there are a lot of packages (cups!) that *require* systemd.

the antiX project is systemd free for now (jessie based, currently antiX 16 in beta). The guys there maintain a "nosystemd" repo to package certain packages that in debian are systemd dependent.

the antiX "MX edition" is a little looser. It uses sysVinit by default, but systemd is included to settle down those package dependencies.

while based on debian, neither of those are "universal" like debian. but people do spend a LOT of time working on the whole sysV/systemd thing.
 
Old 05-09-2016, 11:26 AM   #7
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if they open up the source code for the installer
It *is* and always has been open.
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svn checkout svn://anonscm.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk debian-installer
cd debian-installer
scripts/git-setup
mr -p checkout
Checking out the source code for Debian-Installer
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/CheckOut

General contributor information
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Contrib

Building the installer yourself
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build
 
  


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