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Old 09-07-2016, 12:53 AM   #31
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A shame it was a troll, I was kind of curious what windows did that linux didn't? Outside of a few games, I'm a little short on what that might be. A few games, a few hardware drivers, everything else you'd have to pay money to find out about IMO. Money beyond that spent on the OS.
A lot of major/flagshift software only runs on windows. A lot of those also don't have that great alternatives in Linux. For example Photoshop. I don't care what people say, Gimp is a terrible user experience compared to Photoshop. Video editing, not that great of good options in Linux compared to windows as well.

Windows is also better for IT environments, it's more easily managed/interconnected. Linux does not have an equivalant of AD. Sure, you may be able to cobble up certain packages together to make it work like AD, but that is far from turnkey like it is in Windows. Windows also has a better native permission systems for files/folders/shares. Linux' implimentation is actually quite terrible and would not fly in a corporate environment where people want all sorts of complex permission schemes. "I want this set of users to have read only, this set to have read write and create folders, this set to only be able to delete and I want it to inherit throughout if they make new folders" etc.

That said I'm often willing to make the compromises just to not be dependent on Windows. Linux on desktop is getting better and better over time.
 
Old 09-07-2016, 06:35 AM   #32
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A lot of major/flagshift software only runs on windows. A lot of those also don't have that great alternatives in Linux. For example Photoshop. I don't care what people say, Gimp is a terrible user experience compared to Photoshop. Video editing, not that great of good options in Linux compared to windows as well.
And yet, the greatest animation studios in the world run on Linux solutions: server and desktop.

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Windows is also better for IT environments, it's more easily managed/interconnected. Linux does not have an equivalant of AD. Sure, you may be able to cobble up certain packages together to make it work like AD, but that is far from turnkey like it is in Windows. Windows also has a better native permission systems for files/folders/shares. Linux' implimentation is actually quite terrible and would not fly in a corporate environment where people want all sorts of complex permission schemes. "I want this set of users to have read only, this set to have read write and create folders, this set to only be able to delete and I want it to inherit throughout if they make new folders" etc.
Two parts here, for the first it is better for IT only if the IT manager is a control freak. AD allows a fine degree of control, but many companies do not make full use of that potential. There are ways get get all of the control you need in a mixed or fully Linux environment., but I agree that is it a little less obvious.
Second part: the extended ACL controls give much of the same capability that the ACL system in Windows provides. The base ACL set is enough for many cases, but the extensions are required to go the rest of the way. Even then, you do not get to the level that the Microsoft ACL system provides. As an IT professional, that does not bother me at all. I have enough to get the access control I need for my user and business environment, but I will grant you that point.

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That said I'm often willing to make the compromises just to not be dependent on Windows. Linux on desktop is getting better and better over time.
It is. This week I have used MINT, SPARKY, VSIDO, TinyCore, RHEL, CentOS, Debian, and Q4OS (which I am using as I type this) on the desktop, RHEL, CentOS, and Debian on servers. The contrast with even THREE years ago is just amazing. The contrast with ten years ago boggles the mind.

And there lives another point for Linux. It is not that Windows has not changed a lot in those years, it has even gotten BETTER in some ways. The problem is that it is going in the wrong DIRECTION. While Linux has provided more power along with more efficiency, Windows has offered more power with less efficiency. Linux has become more compatible, Windows has gone all limited and lockdown on us. Linux has grown privacy features and tools, while Windows has included more tracking and reporting home features (and peer sharing without opt-in in Windows 10) with each update and release. As an IT person, I really do not want either my server or desktop operating systems DOING that!

I really like using the best of both worlds, but Microsoft has been making Windows a liability for the business, rather than an important resource. I can easily see the day when U.S. HIPAA regulations will preclude the use of Microsoft products in certain workplace environments in my industry. I am ready.
 
Old 09-07-2016, 07:00 AM   #33
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Why do we need to argue about this. If you think windows is great, well.. No one is going to stop you from using it.
 
Old 09-07-2016, 07:41 AM   #34
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Why do we need to argue about this. If you think windows is great, well.. No one is going to stop you from using it.
And can the "banned forever" person still view this and laugh? I think they can, they just can't add more stuff unless they create a new account.
 
Old 09-07-2016, 08:38 AM   #35
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Actually, Linux has better ACL support than Windows - and across far more filesystems (including distributed ones) than Windows.

and when you add SELinux to the mix, you get better containment than anything Windows has.
 
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Old 09-07-2016, 12:07 PM   #36
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For example Photoshop.
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And yet, the greatest animation studios in the world run on Linux solutions: server and desktop.
Well to be honest, that's partly because we don't use Photoshop as much as most people think.

Here's what was used for digital painting on The Force Awakens:

https://www.thefoundry.co.uk/case-studies/star-wars/

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Old 09-14-2016, 06:23 AM   #37
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Why Linux over Windows?

All depends what you want it for if you use Adobe stick with the windows. Linux is much more than a desktop OS for sure.
 
Old 09-14-2016, 12:41 PM   #38
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All depends what you want it for if you use Adobe stick with the windows. Linux is much more than a desktop OS for sure.
I think graphic designers tend to use more Mac OS than Windows, not sure what the reason is behind this
 
Old 09-14-2016, 01:24 PM   #39
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Yes, Adobe on Macs, forgot about that.

Lets say if you use Microsoft Office (which we are all chained to one way or another) stick to the windows. I have to use windows every day for administering Linux boxes, but cygwin makes life more bearable. Although lately I've been thinking about Powershell a lot, I think there is something wrong with me maybe.
 
Old 09-14-2016, 01:40 PM   #40
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VFX studios use Linux for everything except the applications only available on a specific OS. In those cases, you're issued two computers and a KVM switch, and you drop into Windows as needed (mostly just for Z-Brush or Photoshop). Otherwise, all the "serious" applications are available on Linux.

http://slackermedia.info/handbook/doku.php?id=mari

http://slackermedia.info/handbook/doku.php?id=modo

http://slackermedia.info/handbook/doku.php?id=houdini

The list just goes on and on.

At the end of the day, an OS is the thing that drives the applications they want to use. They are all basically the same (except, they are totally different) and probably anyone would use anything as long as the applications they want to use are available. Imagine if Windows Explorer was also available on Mac, or if Finder was also available on Windows; most people would not know or care what they were using "under the hood", as long as the same application set were available. The only ones that ensure users independence, however, are open source.
 
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Old 09-14-2016, 02:11 PM   #41
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There are just so many limitations to using Linux,
Most of them, in your head.
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
 
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