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Old 07-03-2004, 01:06 AM   #1
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Question Why FireFox when there is Mozilla??


ok, just a curious quesiton... why use FireFox when there is Mozilla?
What make FireFox better than Mozilla? Are they both based on the same technology?
 
Old 07-03-2004, 01:12 AM   #2
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Mozilla includes parts that some people don't need (email, composer, etc). Firefox is based on Mozilla, but it is only a browser and runs faster because it doesn't have a lot of the extras.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 05:07 AM   #3
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The same reason why I only have 3 slices of pizza rather then eating the whole pizza. I just don't need all of it.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 06:45 AM   #4
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In theory yes. But on my machine, Mozilla is waaay faster then Firefox. Firefox is slow as hell, wish somebody could tell me why.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 06:52 AM   #5
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Bizarre.......on my machine Firefox is sooooo fast I'm not using any other browser. I always found Mozilla a bit slow.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 07:47 AM   #6
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Mozilla is the ultimate Netscape - beyond anything Netscape ever imagined. Hell, it's the ultimate net suite. And a spiffy platform, too.

That doesn't necessarily appeal to IE users. Firefox is to make IE users happy, pure and simple. It is not so Linux boxes can run faster. The Mozilla Foundation's primary audience is Windows users, which means IE users. Their stuff is a multi-platform family of apps but primary attention is paid to Windows, despite Mozilla being open source. Linux is distinctly second banana.

If Mozilla was originally the Mosaic-killer, FlammableCreature is Expilla, the Internet Explorer-killer. Which is fine, just so long as it doesn't take the true Mozilla down, too. I won't use FlammableCreature - first I like Mozilla too much. Second, I dislike IE too much. Using Firefox feels like using IE. As it is intended to feel.

For a fast light browser, try dillo. For everything else, there's Mozilla.

Code:
Mozilla
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 j@slackmagick bash 2.05b (0) Sun Mar 28 02:23:11 
~ >> free 
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:        515464     435208      80256          0     222200     156548
-/+ buffers/cache:      56460     459004
Swap:       506008       1056     504952

 j@slackmagick bash 2.05b (0) Sun Mar 28 02:23:30 
~ >> ps ux
USER       PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
j        10580  0.0  0.2  2116 1056 ?        S    02:23   0:00 /bin/sh /home/j/bin/mozilla/run-mozilla.sh /home/j
j        10594  5.8  4.1 34892 21236 ?       S    02:23   0:01 /home/j/bin/mozilla/mozilla-bin

Firefox
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 j@slackmagick bash 2.05b (0) Sun Mar 28 02:19:12 
~ >> free 
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:        515464     433580      81884          0     221996     156876
-/+ buffers/cache:      54708     460756
Swap:       506008       1056     504952

 j@slackmagick bash 2.05b (0) Sun Mar 28 02:19:31 
~ >> ps ux
USER       PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
j        10511  0.0  0.2  2116 1056 ?        S    02:19   0:00 /bin/sh /home/j/bin/firefox/run-mozilla.sh /home/j
j        10517  6.0  3.8 35940 19800 ?       S    02:19   0:01 /home/j/bin/firefox/firefox-bin
Obliterating a browser suite gets me a whole meg or two. Gee, thanks. Because I really was running out of RAM. (This is from awhile ago, because I no longer have Firefox on my box.)

Anyway - yeah - Firefox is chopped out of mozilla and recast - same basic gecko. The 'why' from the user point of view is the same as any other app - use whichever you prefer. The 'why' from the developer point of view is, I believe, as I say - grab the IE audience with Firefox.

Haiyadragon - I noticed no particular difference between them on my system - sure, Firefox starts up in 2.75 seconds rather than 3 or whatever. But it shouldn't be perceptibly slower. Did you get the packages from different sources? Compile them differently? Enable pipelining and whatnot on moz but not firefox? Might be something like that.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 08:04 AM   #7
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I haven't tried compiling Firefox myself yet. But the official binary releases are very slow for me. Whether I run it on FluxBox, KDE or Gnome it's slow. Maybe it's Mandrake.

Anyway, I don't care, Mozilla suite kicks ass
 
Old 07-03-2004, 08:09 AM   #8
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Hm. Well, the official builds should be okay - maybe you could squeeze more out of a compile of your own and some tweaking but, yeah, if you're happy with mozilla, who cares?
 
Old 07-03-2004, 01:17 PM   #9
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I like Firefox, but I continue to use Mozilla. After running the Mozilla Optimizer on both, test pages load at practically the same speed (less than 0.01 second difference either way).

Basically, its just a preference thing in my eyes. I like having a POP client onhand, since when I'm browsing is when I'm doing a lot of emailing as well. There's only maybe a 1-2mb difference in RAM on my machine between the two, as well.

Since Firefox is running slow for you, I recommend the Mozilla Optimizer, if you would rather use only Firefox instead of the suite. I don't have the link, but I know I just Google'd it.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 05:08 PM   #10
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mozilla optimizer for linux? link please? i thought it was windows only. i like firefox better cause it just suits me well. all the extensins i need are easy to install and i dont feel its bloated. also, i dont need hte mail cliant cause i have gmail and i really have no use for any of its features.

Edit: reread your post and i relaized you said you didnt have a link.

Last edited by nuka_t; 07-03-2004 at 05:09 PM.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 05:54 PM   #11
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doesn't mozilla fonts look better than firefox?

on my computer, it seems as though the mozilla default fonts look better the firefoxes. they have less jagged edges.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 09:31 PM   #12
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Mozilla Optimizer changes a few preferences that's all. Those prefs are listed in their readme file. You can easily change them by hand. Windows users can't, so that's where this app comes in .
 
Old 07-03-2004, 09:36 PM   #13
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Haiyadragon beat me to it. Yes, just read the readme file and make the appropriate changes under Linux. Sorry, I should have commented that I only used the Optimizer on my Windows install, on my Linux install I changed them manually for the same effect.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 11:16 PM   #14
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thanks. im so used to using MO in windows, i cant live without it in linux.
 
  


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