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11-09-2004, 11:35 AM
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Registered: Sep 2002
Distribution: fc2
Posts: 113
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Why can't Linux write to NTFS?
I just learned that you can't write to NTFS from Linux. I'm wondering what M$ did that makes it difficult for the Linux developers to get around this problem.....
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11-09-2004, 11:37 AM
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Member
Registered: Sep 2004
Distribution: Debian, Slackware, Arch
Posts: 65
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the newest kernel 2.6.* allows full read/write support to NTFS
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11-09-2004, 11:58 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Munich
Distribution: Ubuntu
Posts: 3,517
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How can you say NTFS is fully supported? It is possible to change existing files only if their length doesn't change. So you cannot even delete a file on NTFS. I wouldn't call this write access (maybe overwrite access). The only 'real' write access to my knowledge is with the captive-ntfs driver.
But I would be happy, if you prove I am wrong
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11-09-2004, 04:44 PM
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Registered: Sep 2004
Distribution: Debian, Slackware, Arch
Posts: 65
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I'm not sure how you want me to prove you wrong...all i know is that I compiled the 2.6.(8 i think) kernel on my laptop(arch linux) with read/write support built-in....its a feature in the kernel, and i was able to write files to my win2000 setup on partition1. I'm not sure what other information you want or that I can provide.
I think if you recompile your kernel(2.6.*) and enable this feature you will be able to do the same...give it a try.
I know it wasnt available in the 2.4.* kernel...thats the reason I used the 2.6.* kernel.
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11-09-2004, 05:32 PM
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Senior Member
Registered: Sep 2004
Location: Sweden
Distribution: Ubuntu, Debian
Posts: 1,109
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Quote:
Originally posted by jordanGSU
the newest kernel 2.6.* allows full read/write support to NTFS
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That's only a bit true. Actually you can only overwrite files with the exact same size. You can't delete or create files on an NTFS-disc. Though, I have tested captive and it can write to ntfs. But I heard some people having problem with it and that it's not too stable. So it still seems to be hard to fully control NTFS from Linux.
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11-09-2004, 07:34 PM
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Member
Registered: Sep 2004
Distribution: Debian, Slackware, Arch
Posts: 65
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Then I could be wrong...I seem to remember after compiling a new kernel I was able to create a directory and a text file on my win2000 partition(ntfs). This stands out in my mind because it eliminated my need for an extra fat32 partition that was just used for transferring files between the 2. I guess it could have been one of those "I can finally completely migrate to Linux" dreams, I tend to have a lot of those...well anyway, good luck in finding your answer, I no longer have the arch linux setup with new kernel to test my theory, so I leave it in the hands of others.
-cheers
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11-09-2004, 07:47 PM
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Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Indiana
Distribution: Mandrake Slackware-current QNX4.25
Posts: 1,802
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I just learned that you can't write to NTFS from Linux. I'm wondering what M$ did that makes it difficult for the Linux developers to get around this problem.....
All Microsoft did was write proprietary closed source code. That makes it really difficult for someone to reverse engineer the code and create support for Linux users. Just imagine how long and how much money MS spent writing this filesystem. Then imagine someone (working on their own time) trying to write the same code.
Think about how long reiserfs4 has been in development.
Also there is FULL r/w support for NTFS in Linux but you have to pay for it. I don't have the link but doing a google and you should be able to find it.
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11-09-2004, 09:17 PM
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Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Australia, Brisbane
Distribution: Gentoo
Posts: 296
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Its going to get worse when WINFS - the new M$ file system comes out - are we all doomed?
regards
Shelton.
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11-09-2004, 09:21 PM
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Nov 2004
Distribution: Mandrake 10.1 Community w/ WinXP dual boot
Posts: 14
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Im just a noob here, but I havn't seen any problems with reading/writing from my NTFS partition on my dual boot system. I didn't do anything special, just mounted the partition and put a link on the Desktop like all the HOWTOs explain.
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11-09-2004, 09:34 PM
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Registered: Sep 2004
Distribution: Slackware 10, Gentoo
Posts: 292
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hehehe. Why are the newbs inadvertantly solving our problems?
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11-09-2004, 09:46 PM
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Nov 2004
Distribution: Mandrake 10.1 Community w/ WinXP dual boot
Posts: 14
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Noobs rock, at least as long as I'm one.
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