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Old 10-15-2021, 02:46 AM   #6811
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Problem is the general user coming from Windows has expectations. And when there is no 'reasonable' alternate to what they have been using, they walk away disappointed. There is no interest (for most I suspect) in becoming a power user.... For example, I just changed a laptop over to Linux (KUbuntu) from Windows 7 for my dad who is in his 80s. All he wanted was to be able to get to Chrome or Firefox, Libre Office, print when needed, look at photos, play music, and play a few card games and such. Was an easy transition and he now has his 'rabbit' trail now to get to things. No interest what-so-ever in power user status. He was/is happy. My wife has no interest in being a power-user either. Hence, I had to setup a VM to get to her favorite PrintShop application (would not install properly under Wine... I tried) .
I see how my previous post could be misread to assume that all Linux users should become power users.
That is not what I meant.

But how can one (deliberately, consciously) change operating systems without wanting to change usage habits?
That's all this story with PrintShop is all about, really? Surely this software doesn't have any unique capabilities that cannot be found on Linux? Just a unique combination of capabilities? Correct me if I'm wrong, I know nothing about it.

I understand that your parents aren't all that conscious or deliberate about choosing Linux, and you took it upon yourself to promote it to them, and recreate a familiar UX?

I do not do this sort of promotion, but if I did, I'd say: "Look, this is Linux. It's a little different, but really great and usable. If you want to try it, I'm sure we'll get around those differences quickly enough."
And I know plenty of stories where things went like this, successfully, with totally untechnical users, also in your parents' age group.

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Old 10-15-2021, 09:38 AM   #6812
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https://www.textsniper.app/ = Take and screenshot and get text into your clipboard

Affinity Designer = Edit pdf's. A bit like InDesign but $50 and easier to use IMHO

Apple Pages = The "Instant alpha" background removal in this DTP software is very useful. In general, it's a lot quicker to move things around in this than anything else I've used.

I can't find alternatives as slick as these on Linux. Maybe there's a service online somewhere to remotely connect to them or maybe I should keep a Macbook just to run them when I upgrade to a FrameWork laptop...?
 
Old 10-15-2021, 09:55 AM   #6813
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Take and screenshot and get text into your clipboard
If the window already contains text, then that is a lot of extra work and introduces a lot of errors, but you could paste one together anyway and bind it to a key combination in your desktop environments keyboard shortcuts menu.

The parts could be scrot (with the -u option), tesseract-ocr, xclip (with the -sel option), and maybe also xdotool, mktmp and imagemagick.

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Old 10-15-2021, 10:03 AM   #6814
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^ I'm pretty sure XFCE4 has a screenshooter that can store an image in the clipboard - if I'm understanding this correctly.
 
Old 10-15-2021, 05:36 PM   #6815
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I just thought (finally) of ONE program that I would love to see brought up to date on Linux: Maximus BBS and Squish (the FidoNet piece)! IT would be a hoot to run a Maximus BBS on the Internet with Fossil telnet and HTML interfaces for the games and utilities. We lost a LOT when we moved to the Internet WITHOUT bringing those things along. Sorry, but nasty monsters like Twitter and Facebook are NOT the same!
 
Old 10-16-2021, 10:49 AM   #6816
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this software { Broderbund PrintShop } doesn't have any unique capabilities that cannot be found on Linux?
If there is, I never found it.

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I'd say: "Look, this is Linux. It's a little different, but really great and usable. If you want to try it, I'm sure we'll get around those differences quickly enough."
Yep! Getting around Linux isn't a problem... It is just some of software that isn't 'there'. How many times I've heard, "I tried it, but it doesn't support product 'x' so going back to Windoze". In our case, we are only 'missing' that one piece of software that needs Windows, hence a VM for Win 7. That works! Everything else we do is 'there' with just slight differences on the surface and is more than usable.

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Old 10-17-2021, 02:55 AM   #6817
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@rclark: thank you for signaling general agreement. Following niggling is written with that mindset, too.
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How many times I've heard, "I tried it, but it doesn't support product 'x' so going back to Windoze".
Yes, me too.
But I tend to let them go.
If I somehow still convince them to stay (maybe by making product 'x' work in a VM or WINE) I shoulder a burden I don't want to have. I only open myself (and Linux itself) to more criticism/demands.

Not saying everybody is like that, I truly hope your mother appreciates what you're doing there, but usually it goes more like this:
  • being non-technical they have absolutely no concept of the extra effort you went through to make it work for them
  • if something is a little tricky, bumpy or otherwise not perfect about the VM/WINE setup, you're basically back to square zero: "Product 'x' doesn't work (properly) under Linux, so going back to Windoze."
I rarely try to convince people to use GNU/Linux at all; if I do, I also feel responsible for it for the remainder of that machines's lifetime. Maintaining a distro falls within that responsibility, additionally maintaining a Windows-only app under Linux does not.

I guess what I'm trying to say in the end (and to everybody) is this:
When convincing others to start using Linux, have more courage to point out the differences, and help them embrace them instead of being defensive or apologetic about them.
In this specific case, help them understand that what they want is very much available, just not in that specific and familiar combo.
And I'm not talking about absolute newbies embracing the command line or some such bovine excrement.
 
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Old 10-22-2021, 01:38 AM   #6818
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I still think Scribus is linux's weakspot. When you compare it to Affinity Designer and Apple Pages, it's a very different approach.

DTP Desktop Publishing is a bit weak all-round. Affinity Designer's ability to bring in a PDF, edit it so quickly, and then export it out again is something I always need to do.

Despite all the efforts from the Wine Lib team to help a port, I don't think it will ever happen:
https://forum.affinity.serif.com/ind...linux/page/53/

Even this website is down now:
http://www.libregraphicsworld.org/

So I'm stuck on OSX.

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If there is, I never found it.

Yep! Getting around Linux isn't a problem... It is just some of software that isn't 'there'. How many times I've heard, "I tried it, but it doesn't support product 'x' so going back to Windoze". In our case, we are only 'missing' that one piece of software that needs Windows, hence a VM for Win 7. That works! Everything else we do is 'there' with just slight differences on the surface and is more than usable.
PrintShop looks like a similar situation.
 
Old 11-26-2021, 11:58 AM   #6819
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windows has a program (not native) called desktoplistview. I would love to have this ability on Linux (I am using Xubuntu).
 
Old 11-26-2021, 06:35 PM   #6820
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You are experiencing a shortcoming of your DE desktop environment
I can do whatever I want on KDE in terms of icons, menus, tools, placement, hiding
Your probably can configure a dock of some kind to do such things too
There are plenty of choices
Install different DE [use the meta package] so you can customize your workflow on the desktop, without giving up your present set-ups, you are able to choose at start up
 
  


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