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Old 05-20-2021, 07:20 AM   #6781
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I disagree, but it may be a matter of taste. I find E2B and Ventoy far easier than anything Windows based, and Ventoy can be installed from Windows, linux, or virtually any other operating system. I find it simple, because I only need to copy an ISO to load a new distribution to my Ventoy key. There is no install step! The only technical steps I need are to set up persistence, whici is not even an option under most Windows only tools.
YUMI supports persistence. If I try both your tools and you try YUMI and we compare with neutral 3rd party input, we might have a case if it were worth anyone's time. The other Linux tools I've seen are no comparison.

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Perhaps there are polish and accessibility factors we evaluate differently. If they ever do port YUMI and SARDU over to Linux let me know and I will take a look.
You might know first.

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Old 05-20-2021, 07:37 AM   #6782
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I'm more social/societal and care about Linux's share of the pc user base and less about technical niches...
Market share is good, but not at the expense of becoming more windows like. Linux isn't to everyone's taste, which is why there's a place under the sun for windows. Similarly windows isn't to everyone's taste.

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...[self empowerment] needn't be an enormous time/energy strain after scaling a wall.

Be better than Windows and accessible. It's not that difficult.
Empowerment doesn't come without reasonable effort. And the wall that needs to be scaled is no less steep for anyone learning windows.

I seriously question the thought that Linux is somehow more difficult to use than windows. Things I do easily on a regular basis cause me more than a little grief when I try something similar in windows - so microsoft should try to make windows easier to use?

Linux is already better than windows and more accessible to anybody who tries, because it isn't difficult.

You may have heard the saying that Linux IS user friendly, just that it's choosy about its friends - it's true. There are people who don't "get" Linux. Just like there are people who don't "get" windows.
 
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Old 05-20-2021, 12:49 PM   #6783
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Market share is good, but not at the expense of becoming more windows like. Linux isn't to everyone's taste, which is why there's a place under the sun for windows. Similarly windows isn't to everyone's taste.
User-friendly does not mean Windows-like.

I am opposed to Windows conceptually, but not universally.

I don't like Clippy, but XP has my vote for the best all-time pc os. Primarily everything since is bloated, which means greater hardware demands, and wasted expense.

I'm on an XP machine in Linux. What I'm looking at is excellent but it's taken too much work to customize.

Windows standarization is one advantage. You want to be able to customize, but you don't want to need to. I would be in Ubuntu right now, but my running distro is more efficient.

Windows' big con is the capital model. They own your os and can restrict your access to it even if you've bought it.

That's what drove me to Linux in the first place.

And features don't exist or you have to pay for them that are provided in a Linux distro.

Linux needs funding, but obviously shareholder profit isn't the answer.

There are so many great alternatives now, more people should use them, at the expense of Windows, and the betterment of the world.

No one is arguing against effort. The deal is, what we're doing at the basic level shouldn't be an esoteric niche. A lot of people wouldn't use computers at all if they had to be as technical as I am, which is still less than the average Linux user.

I'm not posting for an argument. I'm just declaring YUMI a great tool and what I've tried of these are not competition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ve_USB_systems

It makes boot USBs for Linux, well.

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Old 05-20-2021, 05:55 PM   #6784
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...I'm on an XP machine in Linux. What I'm looking at is excellent but it's taken too much work to customize.

Windows standarization is one advantage. You want to be able to customize, but you don't want to need to...
The only way you wouldn't need to customise a new installation is if you find the default settings work well for you. The defaults in any Linux distro made sense to somebody in the maintainers' team, just like the windows defaults made sense to somebody at microsoft. If the defaults don't work well for you then you WILL need to customise your system whether you're using Linux or windows.

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...Linux needs funding, but obviously shareholder profit isn't the answer...
Donating money to the distro's maintenance team is one answer.

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...No one is arguing against effort. The deal is, what we're doing at the basic level shouldn't be an esoteric niche. A lot of people wouldn't use computers at all if they had to be as technical as I am, which is still less than the average Linux user.

I'm not posting for an argument. I'm just declaring YUMI a great tool and what I've tried of these are not competition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ve_USB_systems

It makes boot USBs for Linux, well.
I really can't see what you're describing as an esoteric niche in the case of Linux and ease of use in the case of windows - or am I misunderstanding you?

YUMI may well be a great tool, but unless it's available under an open licence some people here won't be using it.
 
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Old 05-24-2021, 04:14 PM   #6785
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The only way you wouldn't need to customise a new installation is if you find the default settings work well for you. The defaults in any Linux distro made sense to somebody in the maintainers' team, just like the windows defaults made sense to somebody at microsoft. If the defaults don't work well for you then you WILL need to customise your system whether you're using Linux or windows.
I will never cheerlead Windows, that's why I'm here, but one thing they've got over many Linux distros is a better default environment out-of-the-box, even though it still demands customization. What puzzles me is that's intentional -- the demand for customization.

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I really can't see what you're describing as an esoteric niche in the case of Linux and ease of use in the case of windows - or am I misunderstanding you?
You're clear-headed. I'm describing 1.5% of the pc base instead of at least 15% which should be easily achievable, but existing Linux users fight it. People express contentious anger at me in Linux forums because I don't write programs. What does that achieve? For a start it's to alienate most people who use computers. If you create and maintain systems (software, etc.), you would be in control of a bigger group if you let others in.

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YUMI may well be a great tool, but unless it's available under an open licence some people here won't be using it.
It's free if not open-source and should be attractive to any newbie coming from Windows, whether seasoned Linux users like it or not. It's on Windows, it's user-friendly, and it works well. Thinking a Windows user can one day just flip over to Linux and use our tools is like building a wall around your yard, inviting others, and laughing because they can't get in.

You're stating YUMI is closed-source and the author wouldn't support a Linux port? Maybe. Since I started there, I just thought it was a very good idea.

What I do now is manually install Linux and customize GRUB menus, but UUI/YUMI was my starting point.
 
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Old 05-24-2021, 07:44 PM   #6786
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I will never cheerlead Windows, that's why I'm here, but one thing they've got over many Linux distros is a better default environment out-of-the-box, even though it still demands customization. What puzzles me is that's intentional -- the demand for customization...
Speaking just for myself, the demand for customisation comes from me. The ease of customisation is very much a feature and not a bug. Removing that ability would be controversial.

It appears to me that the default windows setup matches your requirements much better than it ever did mine.

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...I'm describing 1.5% of the pc base instead of at least 15% which should be easily achievable, but existing Linux users fight it. People express contentious anger at me in Linux forums because I don't write programs... If you create and maintain systems (software, etc.), you would be in control of a bigger group if you let others in...
Increasing the user base of Linux tenfold is possible, but it requires:

(a) introducing alternative operating systems (not just Linux) at the junior high school level. This is not going to happen in the short term. I've seen a few opinions about why not, ranging from the believable (organisational sloth and empire building) to fanciful (large scale bribery);

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(b) computers with Linux installed being readily available from suppliers, which won't happen while microsoft has an effective monopoly over the commercial market.

I've never seen anger at non programmers expressed in any adult forum.

As in any other human endeavour, there have been and will be attempts at controlling others in the Linux world; usually resulting in robust discussions.


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...It's free if not open-source...
So it's free as in free beer but not as in free speech? Then many here on LQ would describe it as nonfree, and not use it for that reason (certainly in my case), even if the author did release a Linux port.


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...[YUMI] should be attractive to any newbie coming from Windows, whether seasoned Linux users like it or not. It's on Windows, it's user-friendly, and it works well. Thinking a Windows user can one day just flip over to Linux and use our tools is like building a wall around your yard, inviting others, and laughing because they can't get in...
And it's unnecessary. A live Linux distribution will give any user all the simple tools they need (even if it takes a little time and effort before they can use those tools).

Just flipping over to Linux is not going to happen. It will need work on the user's part, and if they expect the windows way of working to succeed in Linux they'll be disappointed because the worlds are too different. Have you seen this page? It's old but still relevant. If you haven't, then go there and read it to the end, it will explain why we're talking different languages.

Anybody who grew up on Linux would find moving to windows just as difficult.
 
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Old 05-25-2021, 07:25 AM   #6787
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You're clear-headed. I'm describing 1.5% of the pc base instead of at least 15% which should be easily achievable,...

What does that achieve? For a start it's to alienate most people who use computers. If you create and maintain systems (software, etc.), you would be in control of a bigger group if you let others in.
That assumes that the goal of linux is to get more people to use it, instead of concentrating on making an excellent product.

I would like linux to be the best kernel/OS that it can be. With tons of open source software that will run in it. And then there is github with tons more source code that you can get and alter to do what you will, repos with source code in it that you can get and alter. Not dumbed down to try and bring the masses in. Already have that OS on the shelf. I point out to you when that OS has a problem, no one knows how to fix it. The number one way to fix a windows machine is to reinstall, because that is all that you can do.

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Thinking a Windows user can one day just flip over to Linux and use our tools is like building a wall around your yard, inviting others, and laughing because they can't get in.
Not meant to be rude but, I don't care if windows users feel comfortable using linux. If you like windows then use it. If you want to learn how linux works then lean how linux works.

Linux has man pages, wiki's, github, stackexchange, stackoverflow, linuxquestions, youtube...
 
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Old 07-01-2021, 02:56 AM   #6788
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I dont know if its allowed here but I'm going to try. I want to develop linux applications and help the community grow, so are there any people that wanna see some sort of alternative to a application from OSX/Windows? today gold rate in hyderabad

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I dont know if its allowed here but I'm going to try. I want to develop linux applications and help the community grow, so are there any people that wanna see some sort of alternative to a application from OSX/Windows?
Sure, you have 6787 posts to choose from. Knock yourself out!
 
Old 07-13-2021, 03:48 PM   #6790
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Epi Info™ for Linux

The Pandemic brought me here...

I find it incredible that the CDC Epi Info™ software was made for windows OS only, i find it as ridiculous as deadly. Imagine how serious a threat to international health security is being based on windows only:

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Epi Info™

Epi Info™ is a public domain suite of interoperable software tools designed for the global community of public health practitioners and researchers. It provides for easy data entry form and database construction, a customized data entry experience, and data analyses with epidemiologic statistics, maps, and graphs for public health professionals who may lack an information technology background. Epi Info™ is used for outbreak investigations; for developing small to mid-sized disease surveillance systems; as analysis, visualization, and reporting (AVR) components of larger systems; and in the continuing education in the science of epidemiology and public health analytic methods at schools of public health around the world.
https://www.cdc.gov/epiinfo/index.html

God help us all...

PS: If someone knows of useful tips, please share with the world.

Cheers

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Old 07-15-2021, 03:24 PM   #6791
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The Pandemic brought me here...

I find it incredible that the CDC Epi Info™ software was made for windows OS only, i find it as ridiculous as deadly. Imagine how serious a threat to international health security is being based on windows only:


https://www.cdc.gov/epiinfo/index.html

God help us all...

PS: If someone knows of useful tips, please share with the world.

Cheers
I'm not a programmer, just a user, but I found it incredible that the British Government used an outdated version of EXCEL to track COVID infections, and in consequence lost over 16,000 records of test resuts. Perhaps someone thought they could save money by not updating their software.
 
Old 07-16-2021, 08:02 AM   #6792
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Hello,

Actually i found out that Epi info software is now open source.

Epi Info

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epi_Info

and also this

CodePlex Archive will be shut down after July 1st, 2021.

https://archive.codeplex.com/?p=EpiInfo

I am now trying to install it, fingers crossed...

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