Originally Posted by TheElf

whitemice: except for the fact that security was used as a main point here to promote linux, and its security is pretty relative... and it also points out to a simple fact: while linux desktop security mostly depends on lack of attackers who target multiple systems not lack of security holes, it would be important to see some security related tools to linux. Also it points to a simple fact: Porting a tool once isn't enough, programs should be patched and upgraded.

Originally Posted by AceofSpades19

What security related tools aren't ported to linux?

Originally Posted by dibi58

well, you can use / replacing:
cinepaint (maybe gimp) / for photoshop - fireworks (check plugins)
nvu, kompozer and open office / for dreamweaver
xara extreme (maybe skencil) / for indesign
kino, lives and stopmotion / for premiere
scribus / for illustrator
ipe, flpsed and pdfedit / for distiller - acrobat
cvs / for version cue
F4L, adobe flex framework and flash / for flash
Pixelmateor and After effects (maybe jahshaka) / for After effects
Ardour and Audacity / for Soundbooth (but here you should use a mac)

apparently they are working at cs4:
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/63...wlc=1241429379

Originally Posted by TheElf

whitemice: except for the fact that security was used as a main point here to promote linux, and its security is pretty relative... and it also points out to a simple fact: while linux desktop security mostly depends on lack of attackers who target multiple systems not lack of security holes, it would be important to see some security related tools to linux. Also it points to a simple fact: Porting a tool once isn't enough, programs should be patched and upgraded.

dibi58: I doubt if Xara Extreme can replace InDesign, you probably doesn't know these software. GIMP / cinepaint aren't a good replacement for Photoshop in many cases. These tools aren't work as a single suite, you don't see any intergation to help you with your work.

Originally Posted by dukeinlondon

Fusion net objects. Linux needs a website editor for beginners.

Originally Posted by donlinux

You can add me to the Photoshop list. I'd also like to see some type of a gui relational database. Open office doesn't have one that I know of and SQL is not my cup of tea. I hate to admit that I still use Access but it's the best game in town right now. Tried it with Crossover and it does have some limitations. I'd also like to see a sync program to sync a database to my palm. I'm currently using smartlist to go on my windoze box. I've been unable to find a decent gui frontend to any virus software or spam killers although I'm early on in my search.

Originally Posted by GTBlackwell

As a screenwriter, I have one addition to the list: Final Draft. I hate having to bother with adjusting margins and whatnot in OpenOffice, etc. It gets in the way of telling the story. Also, FinalDraft had some really nice features that a normal word processor doesn't provide (name database, scene notes, revisions, etc.)

Originally Posted by jamaso

I messed things up jeremy my previous post ought to be in the games thread . Anyways the program i really would like to see ported to linux is Autocad (>$6000), but i know of a enormity of cad programs less sofisticated (< expensive) than autocad that authors would maybe be interested in seeing their software being pushed to a new level under linux with the help of the community .

BTW i just thought about GPL and it occur to me that porting anything to linux would necessarily bring openness of their code and the possibility of downloading it freely from the web ?

Originally Posted by schatoor

Someone said SPSS. A prog called PSPP might be of interest. It's still in early stages of develop. Here is the web site.
I would like to see skype ported to linux. For those of you who don't know what that is, it's software that lets you phone over the internet, but with much higher sound quality then with VoIP (voice over IP) and without additional hardware requirements, other then an headphone set. It's not big yet, but I predict it will be within a certain amount of time. It's from the same people who created kazaa and also works with p2p technology.
If linux is to survive on the desktop market, I think such an app is essential, because people are alraigdy talking about doing away conventional telephones and use these kind of applications instead. So someone should either make an linux app just like it (and preferably distribute it under the gpl license), or the company that makes skype should port there app to linux.

Originally Posted by TheElf

I think their "security" depends on a simple fact: There is not enough people who do the same. As soon as linux will have more than 10% market share on desktop markets these people will be an attractive target and we will hear about tons of unhappy users.

Originally Posted by TheElf

When I googled for some irrevielant information, I found a link to your forum, thought maybe even if it is offtopic here, I will find some info. Then if it was open, I looked around a bit. Why?

Linux is quite common as an OS, if you see set top boxes, TV sets, etc that has a linux kernel installed and some linux based software. But on desktop markets I see linux as not so popular, and whenever I tried it I was disappointed. I have some VMs with linux ready, but I rarely use them. Often, when I run into a problem, I look fo some support, and see: when I use a comercial software (lets use vBulletin for example), I keep support, since my $s count for the developer. When I look at Open Source Software, where mostly fans help with support: They defend their software and doesn't help.

If you don't see the weaknesses in your software, you don't improve. And after a period of time, your chances at success will be limited by: how many people are willing to give linux based solutions after another try after being disappointed a few times, after hearing how it will spread in a few years for over a decade.

GIMP and other linux based tools can be excellent software, but if they don't have some functionality you NEED, and when you explain what you NEED you only hear it is excellent, you won't use GIMP, you won't use linux.

And when the linux community doesn't want to support environments where both windows and linux are used, you won't use linux either. Not even on boxes where it would be an excellent choice.

GIMP (and other linux based programs) are different from Photoshop in functionality. If we also speak about the whole creative suite, and we see we don't only use it for fun, or for web graphics, but try to prepare stuf for prints, work with video (when you use photoshop + afterffects + premiere pro), do medical imaging, etc you will see your favorite image manipulation problem will not work well.

So for this reason I think a native photoshop would be nice. Or let me word it more precisely: Adobe Creative Suite should be ported, yes, the whole shebang.

But again: when people suggest linux, they say it is easy to switch, since most users don't need to know it from inside out, and most users don't even know their current OS inside out, you can pick up how to use it in matter of weeks.

Learning all the tricks to make you competitive with photoshop, illustrator, indesign, premiere, etc. can take years. People would consider spending a few weeks of training to try out linux but wouldn't want to relearn stuff that took them years to learn. Noone would finance the time you spend with learning instead of working efficiently.

So even if you would find a good replacement for the whole adobe crative suite for the whole process, with just as good integration, etc. you would see training time a problem.

Lots of people say: OpenOffice.org is a good replacement for office. I have it installed, and for some documents I would prefer it over office since it has certain advantages, and if you use some (not so basic) functionality it is more efficient. But in many cases the Microsoft Office product line is better. We speak about small differences there, much smaller than in the case of Photoshop vs GIMP.

And I was willing to learn both tools. But I know, even to get to this decision, checking OpenOffice took considerable time spent with trying it instead of working with it.

And if you don't make money in your work time that is part of the cost for the choice and it can make OpenOffice a bad choice in many scenarios. But if it is a problem for 3% of users at your organization, and want compatibility, and MS Office wouldn't create such problems, it won't be 97% OpenOffice and 3% MS Office... It will probably end up with 100% MS Office.

And when people tried out OpenOffice, seen how much problems it created, how much time wasted they won't give you another try.

When people want to try Linux and GIMP and run in many walls, and some of the problems cannot be solved for them in reasonable time, their lost work time, lost customers cost them far more than using Windows and Photoshop, they won't consider linux, and they won't trust you. When you say it is better now, they will ignore you.

And the higher percentage of users deciding they don't give a chance to linux, the worse it is.

Of course the more users decide they don't want to give MS another chance it is worse for MS as well. And it is true if they create the problems for themself. Some MS software is easy to use, but hard to master. And if you don't learn them well, you run into problems, and I understand people who no longer want to take risks because they can't know when they do things right.

If we look at how linux and windows compete, I think the outcome is determined by people who say "I never try this ... again."

And if linux want to be strong, they would need Photoshop, and maybe they would need a better office suite too.

Originally Posted by Vanostaajen

MS visio must be ported to linux. So I can finally make good flowcharts again.