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Old 09-06-2018, 11:21 AM   #1
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Web (Epiphany) Loading Problems Some Web Pages


As the title says. Happens on some sites but not all. Pale Moon has no problem with these same sites. Some examples:

On this site, Web loads the front page but it is inactive:

https://hipshotproducts.com/

On this site, Web loads it OK initially but then some links within the site stall and return an interminable "Loading..." message:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/

These are just examples (not exhaustive). It happens on some other sites also, seemimgly randomly.

Suggestions? Is this some sort of codec problem. Thank you.
 
Old 09-07-2018, 05:01 AM   #2
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That loads fine in firefox and a version (obviously not looking the same) even comes up in links.

I must confess to not wanting/keeping epiphany because things like javascript, java, flash, html5 and cookies always suck in browsers without dedicated plugins or large development teams. Try 'java test' in google (and likewise for javascript --> html5) and test epiphany out before declaring a mystery.
 
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@business kid: java test (in duck duck go) returns "missing plug-in".

html5 test returns the following:

https://html5test.com/compare/browse...fari-11.2.html

javascript tester returns this:

https://javatester.org/javascript.html
 
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OK. That javascript text might not be very thorough v1.5? I honestly don't know.

Java is AWOL; Flash? Silverlight you won't have, but only twits use that these days.
 
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I'm just a lowly user, not a programmer or developer, so please excuse my naive ignorance. Why would someone publish an app that doesn't work properly in the ordinary course of normal useage?

It would seem not to be because the Parabola OS that I use won't allow the necessary plugins - Web (Epiphany) is available in the Parabola repo.
 
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Why would someone publish an app that doesn't work properly in the ordinary course of normal useage?
if that appears to be the case then there's a high chance that the error is indeed not with the app itself, but other circumstances arround it: the OS, the user, the web pages visited...
 
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Firefox comes self contained and sets itself up in /opt, libs & all, so it's minimal insult/interference to an OS that doesn't know it's there. You stick a symlink in /usr
/bin, and a shortcut on the desktop and you're done. Why not try that?
 
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Firefox comes self contained and sets itself up in /opt, libs & all, so it's minimal insult/interference to an OS that doesn't know it's there. You stick a symlink in /usr
/bin, and a shortcut on the desktop and you're done. Why not try that?

I'm on the FSF bandwagon, that's why I use Parabola. Besides Firefox has its own large bag of issues that usually need to be resolved with extensions and add-ons. The FSF version (ice cat) is clunky. I've tried them both extensively.
 
Old 09-10-2018, 01:19 AM   #9
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What large bag of issues might that be?

I understand the drive toward FSF, but hardware developers simply cannot provide open-source firmware for two reasons: government regulation and reverse engineering.

The United States Government FCC specifies that radio-communication devices not be user-alterable to a state in which such devices would violate FCC rules, such as radio scanners tuning the cellular telephone bands, wifi adapters that transmit off-channel, out of band, or over power limit, etc.

Open-source firmware also makes it much easier to reverse engineer hardware. To protect their investment in intellectual property, certain organizations will only release compiled firmware.

Getting back to your problem with epiphany, it's probably just an outdated browser that failed to keep up with the changing www. You could try iceweasel, Debian's debranded firefox version.
 
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@AwesomeMachine: Of course there are lots of interesting issues and opinions to be debated here but it wasn't my intention to open up all of them.

There is a lot to like about Web (Epiphany) despite its apparent glitches so I was just wondering if someone has come across or developed some fixes. And if the glitches are obvious, why haven't the developers at Gnome fixed them? Proprietary issues? There is the Web derivative called Eolie but I think it is just comestic rejigging and has the same guts under the hood.

To be fair, some of the issues may emanate from some websites. For example, http://www.cbc.ca redesigned its site several months ago and for a long time Web wouldn't load any still pix there. Now most of them load OK. Web still has more of less the same functionality elsewhere so I suspect it was CBC that debugged their "new and improved" updated website.

I certainly do have some appreciation of the difficulties in working around government regulations and proprietary blobs. Some very nice software, like Vivaldi browser, is off limits to me because of proprietary assertions.
 
  


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