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Old 05-28-2015, 03:11 AM   #1
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Web authoring tools


Hi there,

I switched from Ubuntu to LMDE and developing some simple web page, I have some knowledge on HTML and Javascript..etc., first I will use Kompozer/Bluegriffon to create the page, and then use Bluefish or a text editor for fine tuning, but Bluegriffon is not on the repository make the install and maintenance difficult, I tried Openoffice Write but it is so much trouble to use, I wonder what you guys used for web authoring, I am looking for a WYSIWYG or something close to it, any comment ?
 
Old 05-28-2015, 04:28 AM   #2
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Hello,

The website Kompozer.net itself has a direct download for the software although I can understand wanting to install it via a repository. If you go this page, you can add the untrusted PPA repository and get the software that way.

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Old 05-28-2015, 07:04 AM   #3
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I manually code html, php, and javascript. Usually the tools produce a code which is difficult to read and difficult to manually modify/edit.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 11:00 AM   #4
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I manually code HTML too although sometimes another tool is ok for trying out designs. Once you get into server-side code for outputting HTML, you are only going to be interested in the HTML code really. If I recall correctly, Firefox and Chrome have some developer tools hidden away that allow you to edit the HTML and CSS on the fly and see the results which almost gives you a WYSIWYG editor.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 01:31 PM   #5
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If I recall correctly, Firefox and Chrome have some developer tools hidden away that allow you to edit the HTML and CSS on the fly and see the results which almost gives you a WYSIWYG editor.
Not really hidden - just right click and select "Inspect element". You have tons of options there, including on the fly element editing.
Also, nothing beats real world browser testing - just write the code in some editor and put it on a test server then load it in the browser.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 03:05 PM   #6
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I think I even used a portable windows version of Komposer and ran it in wine with good results.

Go wild and install NetBeans.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 03:54 PM   #7
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Not really hidden - just right click and select "Inspect element". You have tons of options there, including on the fly element editing.
Also, nothing beats real world browser testing - just write the code in some editor and put it on a test server then load it in the browser.
Not many people seem to know about Ctrl+Shift+I in Chrome - a very snazzy mobile device emulator with measurements and device selection: Screenshot
 
Old 05-28-2015, 05:06 PM   #8
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Not many people seem to know about Ctrl+Shift+I in Chrome - a very snazzy mobile device emulator with measurements and device selection: Screenshot
or "Responsive Design View" under Developer Tools in Firefox.

I agree that WYSIWYG is not the best option in the long run. IMHO, it does not require from you a full understanding of what's going on behind the hood, which sooner or later will backfire at you.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 05:11 PM   #9
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I agree that WYSIWYG is not the best option in the long run. IMHO, it does not require from you a full understanding of what's going on behind the hood, which sooner or later will backfire at you.
Fully agree with that. I started many moons ago with Microsoft Front Page (*shudder*), others were using Word as an HTML generator... but then I tried to get my websites classified as accessible, WC3 certified, etc. and realised that I needed to know what the HTML code was doing. Once you get to know it, it is pretty simple and there are so many XML-based technologies out there that it helps to understand it in general.
 
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Fully agree with that. I started many moons ago with Microsoft Front Page (*shudder*), others were using Word as an HTML generator... but then I tried to get my websites classified as accessible, WC3 certified, etc. and realised that I needed to know what the HTML code was doing. Once you get to know it, it is pretty simple and there are so many XML-based technologies out there that it helps to understand it in general.
I remember FrontPage. Always stayed away from it. I remember a friend of mine used to use Dreamweaver only. Once, his heavily table-driven website (long time ago) design broke and he couldn't fix it. Why couldn't he fix it - because what he knew was Dreamweaver, not html/css. I asked him to switch to the code view and I fixed it for him within minutes.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 09:59 PM   #11
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There are ubuntu downloads on the bluegriffon site. BlueGriffon runs fine on Fedora 21 too, using the Ubuntu download.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 10:02 PM   #12
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I use vim to edit all code I write including HTML or CSS. I test it with a local Apache installation. I use Chrome and Firefox developer tools to make sure it display correctly. I make the Apache installation accessible to my mobile devices on my LAN for testing. I install the W3C Validation Service right on my laptop. To validate my CSS I use CSSLint.

Having W3C and CSS validation tools on my laptop allow me to develop while I am offline.

You can find the W3C service source code here: https://validator.w3.org/source/

You can find csslint here: https://github.com/CSSLint/csslint
 
Old 05-29-2015, 01:28 AM   #13
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By the way, for css I recommend sass+compass

http://sass-lang.com/

It brings fun, simplicity and a wide range of new possibilities to css.
 
Old 05-29-2015, 01:58 AM   #14
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Thank guys for the input, yes WYSIWYG is not the best way to go, but my coding skill is so rusty and I'm lazzzzzy I just want something simple to start with and get a quick preview, tools like Front Page and word processor generate lot of redundant codes I need lot of time to edit out, I guess I'll stick with Bluegriffon and Bluefish for now....
 
Old 05-29-2015, 04:19 AM   #15
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You may want to try an online editor - they do HTML, CSS and Javascript - I think it is a nice instant way to learn the coding and work in a very convenient way:

https://jsfiddle.net/
http://liveweave.com/
http://codepen.io/pen/
http://cssdeck.com/labs
 
  


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