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Old 08-21-2006, 12:24 PM   #1
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Vinyl to CD project - software needed


I've begun to transfer my vinyl LP collection to CDs. I've been working towards this project for some time, and have the needed turntable and preamp, as well as the necessary Windows software. I'm recording WAV files for processing, but then plan to save the music to both a digital compressed format (undecided yet on MP3 or Ogg) for compact archiving and listening as well as audio CD so I can play the music in CD players. Without storage capacity to archive the WAV files, I will be deleting them once I store and burn MP3/Ogg and audio CDs.

Two questions:

(1) Any suggestions on software to run under Kubuntu Dapper 6.06 for recording, editing (mostly track splitting) and converting.

(2) Any personal experience that would help me decide whether to use MP3 or Ogg?

Thanks!
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Old 08-21-2006, 12:52 PM   #2
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Audacity ... to rip to .wav
gwc ... to clean vinyl noise
lame ... for mass conversions to .mp3

Not sure what program you'd use for mass conversions to .ogg. The main consideration there is that you only have players which will handle .ogg format. If you're only playing them on your computer, that's no problem, but when you try to make them transportable, it is. If I was just starting, I might save them in both formats. .ogg is better, philisophically.
 
Old 08-21-2006, 12:55 PM   #3
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To CD

Hi
I am very new to Linux but I have set up Audio City on XP & Suse 10
its let you save them to WAV/MP3 I have moved many vynil & cassatte to Cd + Radio shows.. its freeware you will have to install lame ect I got it work fine on Suse 10

_http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/

Good Luck
Ray (omnibus)
 
Old 08-21-2006, 01:43 PM   #4
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omnibus, rickh...thanks! I am familiar with Audacity and lame from using them both on WinXP. I will give them a try. I do plan to burn to both audio CD and either MP3 or Ogg. The only other question to resolve is which - MP3 or Ogg.

I think that any players I'd use with my computer would handle both Ogg and MP3 - for example, Winamp plays both in Windows, and XMMS plays both in Linux (since XMMS 1.2.4, plugin before that), so, I don't think ability to play either is an issue since my players of choice are Winamp and XMMS.

rickh - I take it that by "philosophically better" you mean because Ogg is a "fully Open, non-proprietary, patent-and-royalty-free". Do you have any experience with it at all relative to comparing quality? I understand that MP3 and Ogg both compress by throwing away data, but as I understand, probably different data, so while both are lossy, one still may be better than the other. Can you comment on anything that might give me a basis for making a decision?

Given the amount of time it takes to rip evan a single LP, split tracks, clean up noise, associate metadata, convert to a compressed format, and burn to audio CD and MP3/Ogg CD, I plan to only do it once, and probably won't save the WAV files (at almost 1GB per LP), so whichever compressed format I use, I'll live with for a long time.

Thanks!
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:29 PM   #5
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I think that any players I'd use with my computer would handle both Ogg and MP3
The Problem isn't on your computer it's when you're away from it. For example, my car steareo plays mp3s, but not ogg

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Do you have any experience with it at all relative to comparing quality?
My ears can't tell any difference. Just make sure you rip high quality. I recommend 192 bps average.

In converting vinyl, noise filters are the critical element. Audacity's filters suck, gwc (Gnome Wave Cleaner) has terrific ones, but it's slow. To get bad clicks, you do them one at a time. Hope you're not in a hurry. I've been working thru my 2000 record vinyl collection for several years. If a song is available on cd, get it. My collection is largely hard to find stuff, tho.
 
Old 08-21-2006, 04:06 PM   #6
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rickh...I don't know that my truck stereo plays MP3s...I'd guess not, and I know my home player doesn't, though my new DVD/CD player may. That's why I'm planning on burning BOTH audio CDs AND digital CDs.

I realize the time committment, and while my colletion only amounts to hundreds, not thousands, I probably wouldn't buy them if they were available. I plan on doing some culling - many complete albums that were of interest to me as a teen when I bought them just aren't very interesting now as I near retirement (that's why I now will have time to do this). Many albums have tracks that I don't care for and won't record. Clearly I'm not a purist! So, I guess I am committed to doing it, and I'm not such an audiophile that I will insist on removing every bit of noise manually. I'll filter what I can - thanks for the tip on gwc - and any others that are really bad, I may work at, but, I'll settle for less than perfection.

At this point I'm leaning towards Ogg just because of the non-proprietary aspect.

Thanks!
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Old 08-21-2006, 04:20 PM   #7
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I probably wouldn't buy them if they were available.
While, for obvious reasons, I wouldn't recommend anything that may be illegal, my position is that you already bought them. You're entitled to a good copy.

There are several ways to make sure that happens without buying anything.
 
Old 08-21-2006, 04:31 PM   #8
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rickh...absolutely...I mean I wouldn't buy the collections on CD if they were available. I believe I'm not doing anything illegal by copying LP to CD, and if it was, I wouldn't do it.

Thanks!
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Old 08-22-2006, 02:11 AM   #9
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Well, Optiker seems to be slightly missing rickh's point, so I'll try to be more direct in my advice -- I use arecord to record (in a simple script):
Code:
#!/bin/sh
echo recording
sudo nice --10 arecord -v -D ameter -f cd a.wav
sudo chown ciotog:users a.wav
where ameter is a nice level monitor, clean them with gwc and record them to ogg quality level 4.99 (based on the idea that lossless channel coupling starts at q5, but I believe this has been upped to q6 so there's probably negligible difference now between 4.99 and 5). Actually I've recently read that lossy channel coupling could be worse for vinyl rips, so I think I may try out q6.

One other thing to mention - I had been recording them in audacity and performing software RIAA equalization, but this added quite some time to the process so I bought a relatively inexpensive preamp with built-in equalization. I suppose if I were an audiophile I would buy a really expensive one, but I'm not.

A final piece of advice - try to go straight from turntable to line-in, or from turntable to preamp to line-in. Amplifiers are unnecessary and mostly only introduce noise.
 
Old 08-27-2006, 01:53 PM   #10
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Well, Optiker seems to be slightly missing rickh's point, so I'll try to be more direct in my advice
ciotog...ah...what point did I miss? I thought rickh and I were communicating fine. But then, if I missed is point, obviously I w ouldn't know I missed it! Frankly, once you got past the quote above and started talking about using a script, you lost me! Such it the problem with Linux for the inexperienced!

I'll stick with GUI apps, thanks, though I am installing gwc for denoising since I tried Audacity's tools and was disappointed.

Thanks for the reply though...maybe gwc will be the one thing I get out of it that's useful.

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Old 08-27-2006, 04:10 PM   #11
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Since you asked, rickh was suggesting that there are other ways of getting a copy of music you already own in one format, without actually converting it from the format you have into the format you want yourself (iow, someone else may have already done the work for you).

Anyway, after you've used the GUI apps for a while you might feel inclined to check out some terminal apps, which are often more efficient.
 
Old 08-29-2006, 10:28 AM   #12
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ciotog...thanks for the suggestion of using gwc for cleaning. I tested it against Audacity and at least for the limited test I did, it was far better. As for using terminal apps, perhaps in time if I get tired of the process being so time-intensive, but at this time, I'm not sure I want to invest the effort in climbing the learning curve.

As for your simple script in your post of 22 Aug, it's mostly gibberish to me. I know what sudo means and what it does - at least a functional top-level understanding - and while I vaguely recall something about "echo" I'd be guessing to try to explain what it does. I've often seen "chown" but as far as I know, it may just be a typo for "clown" - though if so, I still wouldn't know what it means or does.

Please don't take the time to explain as I won't do anything with your script at this time anyhow. If I get to the point where I want to streamline or speed up the processing, and if my competence in Linux imnproves with use, then I'll probably be back asking for a pointer to a web page that gives a good step-by-step process, if such exists. Until then, it just adds to the confusion.

Thanks again!
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