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Old 11-09-2008, 11:20 PM   #16
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[QUOTE=watcher69b;3336596]I personally don't like Ubuntu because it does not have what i was looking for.
linux is about choices and finding what works for you; hence all the various distros



Here are some counter-points to what you wrote


Well in this s
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ection i have to ask why didnt you use adobe flash? Adobe is the current standard for flash.


yea it sucks b/c it uses java. it is heavy and oh yea it uses java. But there are other options. i like goffice (gnome office)


IDK there is no hoopla. it is a beginner linux OS so more people use it before moving on...


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shorter posts would be better :-)

In reply to your concerns, I did use adobe flash but it didn't work.

I tried all the word processors for ubuntu and what tops them all is Word through Wine. Word is still the most intuitive word app on any platform, hands down.

Actually, there is alot of hoopa about ubuntu on this forum and other sites. Don't you use google? Check it out. And, ubuntu is not exactly a beginner linux o/s. It;s command-based and therefore is not for everyone. Your use of the term "beginner" is relative, not absolute.

I agree, short posts would be better but my frustrations over ubuntu forced me to express my feelings fully.


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Old 11-09-2008, 11:25 PM   #17
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I agree that Ubuntu sucks, but I don't go around hollering about it. Move on and use something else.
Well, that's you. Not everyone thinks and behaves like you. If you don't like the ideas on this thread, then maybe this thread is not made for you. Move on and don't worry about what others think. Be smart.

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:28 PM   #18
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- another limit. Window managing through Nautilus is disappointing. It’s so much slower than XP in opening a directory of many files that you wonder what the developers were thinking when they put ubuntu together. In XP, opening a folder with more than 300 files is quick and effortless.
This could be the file manager, this could also be the file system. Each will have it's performance advantages and disadvantages. Linux offers and supports many file systems though. (Comparisons)

I use XFS as my file system, and konqueror as my file manager. Isn't slow for me.
(under a second to open my Music folder containing 10738 files, 1255 sub-folders = 45.1GB on a USB 2.0 hard drive)
 
Old 11-09-2008, 11:28 PM   #19
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My own experience with Ubuntu is pretty much the opposite of yours :-). Admittedly I am not a 'full-time' user as I dual boot with slackware but I can see that all computer needs should be satisfied by the latest incarnation: Intrepid Ibex. Installation was very, very easy and from booting on the installation cd to browsing the Internet only 45 minutes passed. Easy to use and administer and in my case totally trouble free.

But of course there are choices and I guess you have chosen XP, I note that you have not mentioned Vista but I guess nobody likes to :-).

Andrew
Hey andrew, I enjoyed reading your opinion and I'm glad that ubuntu worked out for you. However, there are many of us who just don't like ubuntu because ubuntu doesn't like us. Also, I did mention Vista a few times. Read towards the end of my thread. Thanks, man. Please reply... You sound smart and I like talking with smart people.

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:30 PM   #20
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So your post is really just an ill-mannered parting troll, then.
OKAYYY,,, Now I know which one of you to avoid.

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:40 PM   #21
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That was a very well written and reasoned response. You show a great depth of knowledge and understanding with your comments. It's quite obvious you have a broad experience with Linux and Windows products and have presented very objective comments.

Thanks. I enjoyed reading it.
Thank you so much AuroraCA for your comments on my piece. I'm glad I can help. Any time!

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:45 PM   #22
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Hello again

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I tried all the word processors for ubuntu and what tops them all is Word through Wine. Word is still the most intuitive word app on any platform, hands down.
That's your view, and a very respectable one I might add. But just your view.

I have been a teacher for a couple of years, and still teach friends, family and occasionally other persons. For someone that doesn't know anything about Word, OOWriter is an easy thing to learn. I talk from my experience with people that don't know a thing about word processing. For them, and this is a fact, it's equally complicated to learn msoffice and openoffice, and I am talking about basic word processing, nothing advanced.

So, that's a moot point.

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Actually, there is alot of hoopa about ubuntu on this forum and other sites. Don't you use google? Check it out. And, ubuntu is not exactly a beginner linux o/s. It;s command-based and therefore is not for everyone. Your use of the term "beginner" is relative, not absolute.
Yes, it's relative, but if you really think that Ubuntu is not for beginners, then you don't qualify to use linux. Don't missunderstand me. It's not because you are less smart than anyone else, but because you refuse to learn anything new. You will only be able to use things that work on a similar way to those that you already know, and nothing else.

Ubuntu is widely used by people who have NEVER EVER touched a computer on their entire life. Old persons that even find difficult to use Windows, persons that don't understand how to use the memory functions of a simple hand calculator like my father. Are these persons smarter than you about computers? Obviously they aren't. But since they know nothing, they are the perfect learner. On the contrary, the one that thinks that knows how everything should work loses the ability to learn new things.

I have a wide experience with linux, and a not-so-wide experience teaching different programs and OSes to different peoples ranging from 10 years or less (can't remember) to 80 or so. I've used many different OSes, partly because of my studies, and partly because I've always enjoyed that. And maybe because of that, I find it easy to learn new things. But linux is definitely not just for the geek (and much less ubuntu, in fact, experienced users most times flee from ubuntu to anything else).

And there you are my view of the matter. I don't claim to be a linux guru by any means. But I have been around for quite some time and I know how people can use this OS without any problem if they are really willing to learn and cooperate with it.

Cheers. I enjoy the conversation as well.

PS: I thought I already cleared the issue on my other post, but obviously it's not clear. I find particularly funny this asseveration:

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ubuntu is not exactly a beginner linux o/s. It;s command-based and therefore is not for everyone
As I already said, MSDOS was the OS for beginners not that long ago. In fact, most people used it until win98 was out, because the previous versions of windows were nothing but a wrapper to run office on them. And even then, win98 was running inside msdos, it wasn't a new OS, it was just a graphical interface on top of DOS, just like all the previous versions.

MSDOS was driven via command line, and it was the OS of choice for beginners. It started as qdos I think, and it was that famous that some variants arose, like pcdos, ibmdos, msdos and drdos. The wiki will probably do a better job than my memory at listing them all. But it was definitely the most widespread OS for pcs by the time. No one died trying to learn to use it as far as I know. And it was the OS used by every illiterate user around the world. Yes, in command line.

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:50 PM   #23
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Hi davidx:

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Hey andrew, I enjoyed reading your opinion and I'm glad that ubuntu worked out for you.
Well strictly speaking it did not work out completely as I no longer run Ubuntu as my main os. I maintain a small partition so I can support several guides that I spent a long time researching. MPlayer anyone? Or Leafnode? Not quite ready to cut all that work loose :-). The relentless upgrade cycle of Ubuntu proved a little to much for me and I eventually preferred a less patched distro.

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However, there are many of us who just don't like ubuntu because ubuntu doesn't like us.
But there are so many choices under Linux! Perhaps you can install on a second computer and let it grow on you a little? Some of your post sounds a little like you simply have not given Linux enough of a go in terms of time and changed attitudes.

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Also, I did mention Vista a few times. Read towards the end of my thread.
Oops :-). Caught me not reading the full post.

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Thanks, man. Please reply... You sound smart and I like talking with smart people.
If I was smart I would be wearing a suit to work and not spending so much time trawling these forums :-).

All the best,

Andrew

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:51 PM   #24
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Most of the things you described could be easily fixed. Seriously, do some searching before saying 'IT SUX IMA GUNNA GO BAK 2 XP'.

edit: and you can blame hardware companies for not providing any (or decent) drivers. It's not linux's fault.
I don't quite like the way you replied to me, but anyway, I'll respond to you in a civil manner nonetheless. My answer to you is that your use of the term, "easily fixed" does not mix well in a conversation about ubuntu. If my problems could be "easil fixed" this thread wouldn't exist. And trust me, I've used the best fixes out there and ubuntu and its apps still lag behind Win '95, Win '98, and XP in performance and speed. Why is that?

Yes, I do agree that many hardware companies don't provide adequate drivers, but my complaint isn't about hardware, it's software, mainly, ubuntu. The hardware issue only represents 5% of my thread. The hardware problem is NOTHING compared to the important software issues.

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:54 PM   #25
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Reasonable thread and reasonable people considering the subject and how it is presented.

I've been disappointed in buntus for years but I have to admit the last two releases have been "not bad". They still have a long way to go and seem to be slow getting there despite the resources.

Many of the less popular distros are basically one-man shows and are still able to blow buntus out of the water. Makes you wonder what the h*ll is going on.
 
Old 11-09-2008, 11:55 PM   #26
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I don't use ubuntu, but a few days ago I installed Intrepid Ibox on my neighbour's computer (dualboot with XP). Although the guy knows very little about computers, I asked him to do it without my help (I helped him with partitioning). I spoke to him yesterday and he seems very happy. He even said that configuring his wireless connection was much easier than on XP. His wife just loves it. But then again, there will be as many ubuntu/linux stories as there are people.
btw, you must be very frustrated that you took the time to write such a long post
Sycamorex, thank you so much for your contribution to my thread. And yes, I do agree, as I've stated before in my thread, that wireless connection is seamless and far more advanced than that on XP, without question. But, alas, ubuntu's other issues eclipse the benefits that ubuntu brings.

Reply back.... I like your response.

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:57 PM   #27
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Well, that's you. Not everyone thinks and behaves like you. If you don't like the ideas on this thread, then maybe this thread is not made for you. Move on and don't worry about what others think. Be smart.

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Well, to paraphrase you:
"Not everyone thinks and behaves like you. If you don't like Ubuntu, or Linux in general, then maybe Ubuntu/Linux is not made for you. Move on and don't worry about what others think. Be smart."

The only reason to drop such a stink bomb on this forum is self-anger and perhaps a plea for help. Maybe someone will give it to you. Maybe you will accept it. But, everyone could have probably done without this particular thread.
 
Old 11-10-2008, 12:16 AM   #28
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davidx,

In your 13 years of computing experience, is Ubuntu the only distribution of Linux you have tried? I noticed your first post on this forum only dates back about a month, and you have asked quite a few questions within that time. I hope you aren't giving up on Linux so soon after a bad experience with one out of many distributions.
 
Old 11-10-2008, 01:04 AM   #29
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My comments were addressed to i92guboj for his post #11.

I found your posts and comments narrow and closed minded.

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Old 11-10-2008, 03:09 AM   #30
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Thanks for the compliments, AuroraCA. I noticed that the comment was aimed at me but I didn't want to break the charm

I think that reasoning is a better approach. I understand why davidx is feeling frustrated. Changes are always traumatic and some people handle that better than others, but we all feel that way at some point. Because I understand that, I also understand that starting a trollish discussion here against him is pointless, and will do nothing good for any of us.

If he sees some truth in my arguments he might try another distro or learn to walk slowly until he can really handle the new OS, if not, he can at least leave knowing that maybe Ubuntu is not that crappy. In the worst case, if this doesn't change his mind nor even a bit, he at least will not have any base to accuse us of being not helpful or disrespectful against him.

Have a nice day
 
  


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