you've gotta start a new one up. from the K menu, look in "system>terminals" i believe.

Ok, LOL this is going to sound hilarious, but i did a 'find files' and found the logs!! Before you start laughing though, keep in mind that i am brand new to this, and sometimes the easy (well, somewhat easy) solutions dont come right away to you.....lol, but yeah i did a find for the folder the logs are in, and there they are, i am copying to cd as we speak Thanks for the help with that guys, esp sether......but hey, so now, how can i change shells again? You said you were interested in that output but with RXvt i cant copy the text?

i'm not really familiar with rxvt. i would try konsole. i believe typing "konsole" in rxvt will start it, otherwise try to find konsole in the kde menu (a star in mandrake).

where were the logs?

Nope, no luck with that......wierd, i remember playing with it in Gnome and changing consoles...........well, for now, i am beat, its late, and its time for bed........if your still interested in knowing whats up with my system, ill post in this thread tomorrow, and if ya feel like it, you can gimme some more help then Thanks for everything man...... Maybe see ya here tomorrow? On a side note, is there an irc channel for this site?

well, we solved your initial question anyway. make some new threads tomorrow on the other questions and you should have it all figured out.

a previous and similar question on irc and LQ: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...&highlight=irc