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Old 11-24-2017, 02:26 PM   #1
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Smallest distro with full HPLIP?


What is the smallest distro with full HPLIP pre-installed in the live CD?

This question might help a lot of people and would be good to keep track of.

In my case, the live CD's RAM usage should be <500MB ideally, or <1GB alternatively, or 1.5GB RAM maximum. I only need a distro that includes HP F340 from about 2007, so I could use a smaller, older distro than some other people would need.

Thanks.

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Old 11-24-2017, 09:33 PM   #2
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Most distros that I've used do not include HPLIP in the initial install, but all the ones I've used have had it in their repos, usually with one package for the base package and a separate one for the GUI (hp-toolbox). Note that I mainly use major general-purpose distros.

Slackware does include HPLIP of the box. From the Slackware package browser, it appears that the hplip packages are about 15MB in size.

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Old 11-25-2017, 02:57 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply. Slackware 14.2 is a 2.6GB ISO on DVD. Is that too big for my RAM? A page on systems requirements said Slackware only needs 64MB RAM but the smaller Puppy distro loaded into RAM registers as taking hundreds of MB of space. I was hoping for a <700MB ISO on CD. The OP is for a CD.

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Old 11-25-2017, 09:25 PM   #4
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The size of the *.iso has more to do with the amount of software packages included in the install. In the care of a full Slackware install, that's approximately 9 GB after they are extracted and installed.

Also, the Slackware install DVD/CDs do not include a "live" option. There is a SlackLive project. I haven't used it and in a quick look was unable to find a listing of minimum requirements.

With 1.5 GB RAM Slackware would probably be usable with a light-weight window manager such as Fluxbox, but KDE would likely be unusable and XFCE would probably struggle.

I'd suggest you look at creating a "persistent" install on a USB stick of a light-weight distro. That way, you could install HPLIP and have it remain installed. The Ubuntu Wiki has a good article about persistence: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent

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Old 11-26-2017, 03:29 AM   #5
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With a live CD, the total size on the disk is different than the size in memory. The entire disk does not load into memory. If you run a program, the system will fetch it off the CD/DVD. If you install software in a live CD environment, then that program is store in ram memory, even if you don't run it.
 
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Old 11-28-2017, 11:56 AM   #6
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Also, the Slackware install DVD/CDs do not include a "live" option. There is a SlackLive project.
The OP is for a live CD.

SlackLive current 386 xfce distro fits on CD but CUPS setup says localhost:631 not found and stops there, so I never got to the HPLIP question.

AntiX 15 386 full distro fits on CD but I couldn't find any CUPS setup and typing cupsd or cups in a terminal says it doesn't exist, even though a webpage said that the full distro has HPLIP, but I never got to confirm that because of CUPS missing.

Can HPLIP print without CUPS?

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Old 11-28-2017, 04:10 PM   #7
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antiX 17 has a live-USB with persistence and a one-click hplip install in the Package-Installer

If that isn't what the OP is looking for, MX16 (and the upcoming 17) have cups and hplip preinstalled on the live media, although it is DVD (1.2 to 1.3 GB) size and not cd size.

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Old 11-29-2017, 01:25 AM   #8
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fwiw, it is possible to install software on a live session.
you'd just have to do that again after each reboot.

and then there's also live distros with persistence - surely that includes software installs?
puppy, antix, ...

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Old 11-29-2017, 10:59 AM   #9
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antiX 17 has a live-USB with persistence and a one-click hplip install in the Package-Installer
Thanks but the OP is for pre-installed.
Plus, the OP is for CD and I thought the 17 full distro was too big for CD.
This page says that 17 full has HPLIP but I couldn't find the same list for 15 full that fits on CD:
https://www.antixforum.com/forums/search/hplip/

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If that isn't what the OP is looking for, MX16 (and the upcoming 17) have cups and hplip preinstalled on the live media, although it is DVD (1.2 to 1.3 GB) size and not cd size.
Thanks but the OP is for CD. 700MB is plenty of space for a 15MB package.

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fwiw, it is possible to install software on a live session.
you'd just have to do that again after each reboot.
The reason for this thread is because I was told the opposite in this other thread:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ps-4175618250/
 
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Old 11-29-2017, 12:01 PM   #10
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Thanks but the OP is for pre-installed.
Plus, the OP is for CD and I thought the 17 full distro was too big for CD.
This page says that 17 full has HPLIP but I couldn't find the same list for 15 full that fits on CD:
https://www.antixforum.com/forums/search/hplip/


Thanks but the OP is for CD. 700MB is plenty of space for a 15MB package.


The reason for this thread is because I was told the opposite in this other thread:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ps-4175618250/
well, I went back and checked, and antiX-17 base (which does fit on a cd) has both hplip and cups installed by default.
 
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Old 11-30-2017, 01:36 AM   #11
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The reason for this thread is because I was told the opposite in this other thread:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ps-4175618250/
can you specify?
i don't see that point being made in the whole thread. which post?
 
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:44 AM   #12
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well, I went back and checked, and antiX-17 base (which does fit on a cd) has both hplip and cups installed by default.
Thanks, that would mean the AntiX forum admin was wrong.

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can you specify?
i don't see that point being made in the whole thread. which post?
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The required package(s) would need to be added before burning the ISO ie by the creator of the Live CD.
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...0/#post5784438
 
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Old 11-30-2017, 09:28 PM   #13
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It might be possible to make a re-spin of some distro. If not a full re-spin then maybe add the package to the squashfs and put in back on any of the cd's you want but there may be more to the installer. If I needed it on a cd then I'd create my own cd from some selection. Maybe the most easy might be to see if SuseSudio.com would build it small enough. Other creators out there too and ways to re-spin.

The other choice was mentioned about distro's like puppy that could save changes on cd-rw or on usb.

The most simple I think would be to place a disto on a usb as if it were a real hard drive and use it. A fast usb would be way better than a cd I'd think.
 
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Old 12-03-2017, 05:05 PM   #14
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The 'OP' is being incredibly specific about this.

This distro must have HPLIP pre-installed.

It must be small enough to fit on a CD.

It must be capable of running as a LiveCD.

In other words, all he would need to do is to d/l, burn, load CD and run. Not one single step more...

The OP strikes me as someone who prefers life to be handed to him on a plate, is a great believer in rules & regulations being followed to the letter by everyone.....and doesn't want to have to lift a finger to do a stroke more than is absolutely necessary.

I don't think Linux and the OP would be temperementally suited to one another.....especially since Linux does involve the need to get your hands dirty, and actually do some work.

Many of us have already tried to help out in one way or another, both here and in the 'other' thread.....and every single suggestion has been pooh-poohed.

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It's easy enough to d/l and run the LiveCD of most Puppies, add software of your choice, then re-master Pup with the built-in software included with every Pup specifically for this purpose. The resulting ISO file can then be burnt to another disc and re-run, again as a LiveCD, but this time with your chosen software permanently added.

But oh, no..................I think that would actually mean expending a bit of effort. Not on, that..!

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Jefro, I think your siggy is peculiarly appropriate in this particular instance...


Mike.

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Old 12-04-2017, 07:30 AM   #15
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Download & remaster a distro to have exactly what you want to have in it, simple.

(Smallest distros, TinyCore or SliTaz.)
 
  


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