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Old 01-28-2008, 04:48 AM   #1
V!NCENT
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Unhappy Ripping OGG with K3B super ugly sound quality


I got 3 CD box for my birthday I wanted for soooo long. The first thing I wanted to do is put them on my MP3 player and luckily my MP3 player supports OGG Vorbis

I had never ripped anything to OGG in Linux before so I just slammed in the CD and I got a popup menu that showed me some options, including ripping the CD with K3B.

After 12 minutes it was on the HDD. I played it with AmaroK and I was amazed at how incredibly bad it sounded. Ehm ok, I thought by myself, I probably ripped it with very bad quality. So I did it again after setting OGG Vorbis encoding in K3B to the highest quality and did it again. Now the files where about 10MB and higher. I listened to it in AmaroK again and damn... it sounded like a 32kbit/s MP3 file! What the hell?

It was ripped with the Highest quality through the KDE Arts sound system. I told K3B to use the saved settings.

What am I doing wrong?

UPDATE: Resolved! I searched the CD with the file manager and among the WAV files it has a OGG Vorbis folder with OGG files that are smaller than 1MB! When K3B wanted to rip the files it didn't rip the WAV files but the OGG files! No wonder the sound sucked at high quality OGG

UPDATE2: Oh no wait... it is not resolved! The WAV files sound like shit as well when I copy them to my HDD On my radio it sounds perfect but on my Kubuntu laptop is sounds like shit And it is not the fault of this laptop and Kubuntu because other files sound rather nice actually

UPDATE3: Ok I don't know what the hell is wrong with K3B and reading WAV by opening it in Dolphin and playing it with AmaroK but with the Grip app it rips in wonderfull quality.

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Old 01-28-2008, 10:29 AM   #2
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The first thing I wanted to do is put them on my MP3 player and luckily my MP3 player supports OGG Vorbis
I would be ripping my stuff as OGG if my player Sansa C240 supported it. What kind of player is yours? I killed a Sansa M240 by trying to upgrade the firmware hoping to add OGG support.

I have ripped a few CDs to ogg in the past. My current setting in K3B, the same it's always been, is quality level 4 (targeted VBR is 128). I did some research in the past on comparing MP3 and OGG. It's my understanding that for files <= CD quality (~192Kbps VBR) OGG is superior, but if you go higher MP3 becomes the better choice for quality. IMO, anything higher than 192 is unnecessary unless you're an audiophile. And, as you've discovered, higher quality increases the file sizes. If you keep the files around CD quality you can estimate 1MB per minute using MP3. IIRC the comparison, OGG would be closer to 800K per minute.

I've never had a problem ripping CDs with K3b, but I haven't used is to rip to OGG. The few time I did OGG was from a Konqueror window, much like you did from Dolphin(before I discovered K3B). I also have had aRts disabled for a long time.

Hope this helps some.
 
Old 01-28-2008, 01:43 PM   #3
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For ripping my CDs to files (FLAC, MP3, Ogg, etc.) I use "KAudioCreator" rather than K3B. It has done a great job for me so far. Good quality sounding rips in whatever format I've chosen.

You might want to give that a try. It's designed specifically for ripping audio from CDs.
 
Old 01-31-2008, 08:46 AM   #4
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I would be ripping my stuff as OGG if my player Sansa C240 supported it. What kind of player is yours? I killed a Sansa M240 by trying to upgrade the firmware hoping to add OGG support.
It's actually a 'pretty old' music player, so I don't know if you can still buy it. I've got a Samsung YH-J70 'media player'. It has had a few media-player-of-the-year awards and some more. The sound quality is better than the sound of an iPod and it costs less. It has 20GB storage (optionally 30GB with a dock and a protection 'thing'). It uses a Windows file system protocol so you need a distro that supports removalble Windows media (SuSE and Ubuntu for example) to copy your files. It is capable of viewing a lot of video files but they need to be converted to some exotic proprietary file format and the software only works on Windows XP. The firmware has some bugs and newer firmware has DRM crap added to it so I recommend that if you buy this thing that you do not upgrade your firmware unless the shipped firmware is too bugy for you. To upgrade your firmware you do not need any software; just copy the downloaded firmware to some folder on the device and turn it on.

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For ripping my CDs to files (FLAC, MP3, Ogg, etc.) I use "KAudioCreator" rather than K3B. It has done a great job for me so far. Good quality sounding rips in whatever format I've chosen.

You might want to give that a try. It's designed specifically for ripping audio from CDs.
Wow thanks I prefer having QT apps on KDE so I will give that a try
 
  


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